over time is important too

10 years

it didn't help the unemployed get jobs or something?

i used to be for ubi/bernie

pre 2016

They thought it would, but it had no effect on jobs in the trial.

i didn't vote for trump in 2016 but i probably will in 2020

yeah

it is not different from welfare for unemployed people

the difference with ubi is everyone gets it

welfare does not encourage employment

although welfare *discourages* employment by being afraid to get your welfare taken away if you get a job

which i think is why i supported it

i suppose it doesn't play out in the short term

but i think inflation seems like a problem that could occur

Ideally welfare should be seen as no more than a safety net to stop people literally starving to death.

yeah

UBI is pretty much just "hey if you vote for me, I will give you free money".

There is no real indication it works as an actual policy.

yeah

UBI won’t lead to inflation if it doesn’t change aggregate consumption, i don’t think

Which a VAT tax could avoid

VAT would lead to inflation

UBI, in the sense would cause inflation but not on it';s own

UBI like the equally destructive Minimum Wage incentivises people to demand higher wages and guess what higher wages do? They incentivise employers to hire less and invest more in labor saving technology. Then to make matters worse because the funding for UBI comes completely out of one of these methods of destruction:
1. Taxes-Employers cut back in the here and now thus reducing the number of wage earners
2. Inflation-Employers attempt to invest more in technology now to eliminate labor in the future

It can cause inflation, especially if the government actually *prints* money to pay people.

are you saying, that ubi will accelerate the doomsday robot ai scenario that ubi is touted as a solution for

🤔

Yes

See how the government fails to fix a problem, that isn't a problem anyways and it's been made worse due to said labour regulations and costs by the government, and makes it worse??

Autmation defo won't end like that, but it'll remove jobs

but create more

The problem with UBI, it may seem like a harmless activity but, this creates a disincentive to rejoin the labor force, because people believe the added income from a job isn’t worth the labor. Demonstrated very simply, if someone is currently receiving a total income of $1,000 through a means-tested welfare program, many will be less likely to seek a job which will result in similar income levels, as most prefer leisure to labor.

UBI won’t lead to inflation if it doesn’t change aggregate consumption, i don’t think | andrew yang wants ubi so people can spend more money and stimulate the conomy though

Yeah thats not good, spending does not really stimulate the economy as saving does.

Both saving and spending are good when done natural, but saving is the real deal

The inflation part comes from the points I listed and VAT

i don't understand how employers investing in technology to elminate labor causes inflation

doesn't it just cause unemployment

if the govt prints money to pay the unemployed people yes, but in ubi everyone is supposed to be getting paid the same anyway

isn't inflation caused when people have extra money, so much so that people are willing to spend more for the same thing