And a VAT-funded UBI, while not the only approach, would help discourage excess consumption with that money and instead encourage savings and investment, which would help address the problem of overspending

and eventually we need to give up on the idea of people needing to join the labor force. a human labor force will be obsolete, and we need to know that and plan ahead. so while maybe we dont need a ubi right now, we most certainly will need a money-based welfare program in place in the future, ideally right before it is needed

how did i get conservative and bnl got libgay

i want libgay lol

And @sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ a UBI is by definition *not means-tested.* If you make $1k/mo and get a job paying $1k/mo, you double your effective income, as your benefits do not decrease at all.

talk to [some mysterious admin]

lol

not clear who

idk

maybe the guy with the most roles

And ideally, a completely automated economy with fairly-distributed resources is the best outcome.

yeah, communism is, in fact, inevitable, in fact id say technocracy specifically, but i dont think we're anywhere near that

ohno i just realized i said that on a trump server

this should be interesting

You could delete it before anyone sees.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It all depends on who owns what and what rules they have to follow, in the end

nah, im waiting for reactions

*communism is inevitable*

i wouldn't say it is

Thing is, Trump isn't exactly against inevitable communist utopia, assuming for sake of argument that's how things ended up.

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society could collapse

Communism is not inevitable

which is very probable actually

Society wouldn't collapse either

Trump's platform is America, now.

it would restructure and eventually be communist

thats fiar

*fair

What happens later is another matter.

why would society not collapse?

any number of things could end it all right now

it would restructure

and eventually be communist

how does something restructure itself if it ceases to exist

do you mean the human species going extinct or society collapsing? i see that as two different things, and humans always organize into societies and subsocieties

would you not say humans going extinct is the collapse of society?

thats what im asking you. i would say that, yes. but im wondering if youre talking about the end of humanity or not

sure let's say that

sorry if that was unclear lol