Message from @Eustace

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2019-03-10 02:07:04 UTC  

which most of us do

2019-03-10 02:07:23 UTC  

i should wonder if there are climate change deniers here or not

2019-03-10 02:07:36 UTC  

i seem to remember there are but i could be mixing up servers

2019-03-10 02:08:03 UTC  

climate change is an example of an existential threat that humans have addressed and are mostly dealing with

2019-03-10 02:09:06 UTC  

anti-vaxxer is the new climate change denier

2019-03-10 02:10:19 UTC  

what do you think a communist society would be like?

2019-03-10 02:10:30 UTC  

i'm afraid it could be terribly boring

2019-03-10 02:10:47 UTC  

there are also plain old climate change deniers but the resurgance of diseases might be considered an existential threat

2019-03-10 02:10:48 UTC  

a lot of people once they retire no longer know what to do and just waste away

2019-03-10 02:11:14 UTC  

there are also some ultra wealthy who after reaching that pinnacle start becoming nihilist

2019-03-10 02:12:52 UTC  

hopefully people in this society will have a lot of freedom. the communist part is that there are specialists dividing resources up among all the people people and planning production. so a more accurate term might be democratic socialism or, as i said earlier, technocracy. but it could certainly be called communist.

2019-03-10 02:13:34 UTC  

i imagine videogames, movies, music and art will become the normal form of entertainment. education too i imagine

2019-03-10 02:13:49 UTC  

certainly sports as well

2019-03-10 02:14:39 UTC  

everyone would be retired but could volunteer to do unnecessary jobs likely. it would be 100% voluntary, unless you count peer pressure

2019-03-10 02:14:44 UTC  

it could be fun tbh

2019-03-10 02:53:51 UTC  

Then we could devote all our time to the advancement of human knowledge

2019-03-10 02:54:57 UTC  

yeah

2019-03-10 02:55:07 UTC  

Which would be super cool

2019-03-10 02:55:21 UTC  

Oh yeah then we might end up with transhumanism

2019-03-10 02:55:29 UTC  

Which would be interesting to say the least

2019-03-10 05:52:27 UTC  

Hey Morty, check this out!

2019-03-10 09:57:02 UTC  

@Leo (BillNyeLand) Visitor that automation advancing in rapid ways is the very long term, the UBI will cause inflation due to the reason above. I don't think Vat is a good way of "reducing overspending", not that all spending done naturally isn't "over" or "under", the best way is to abolish the fed and let the market control the interest rates, this will incentivise savings as the supply of real loanable funds will be low and interest rates will be high.

2019-03-10 09:57:21 UTC  

Yeah UBI is not tested but thats most likely what will happen, read above on why people getting $1k a year would cause problems.

2019-03-10 09:57:49 UTC  

@!AAmazing Hoping This is incorrect.

2019-03-10 09:57:55 UTC  

A labour force will always exist.

2019-03-10 09:58:19 UTC  

Despite what people say, a labour force will always exist and full automation will not happen. People will be working with more jobs we don't even know of today.

2019-03-10 10:59:00 UTC  

if full automation did happen and human labor was worth zero in the economy that would be really bad too imo

2019-03-10 10:59:42 UTC  

because people, men especially, are hard wired to work and contribute to society, and ubi would not resolve that

2019-03-10 10:59:51 UTC  

i bet there would be a wave of substance abuse and suicides

2019-03-10 11:00:37 UTC  

but i don't think that is going to happen either

2019-03-10 11:02:54 UTC  

i think, technology will continue to improve, and make our lives easier in some ways, and i'm betting the amount of poor people will increase

2019-03-10 11:04:06 UTC  

B-b-b-but inevitable Utopian Communism!

2019-03-10 11:04:13 UTC  

xD

2019-03-10 11:10:25 UTC  

they say, income inequality is increasing. meaning, the rich are richer, but most of us don't get richer. ok. but technology continues to improve. our lives continue to get easier/fuller because of that. think, smartphones automobiles refrigerators internet. the trend in capitalism is fewer people in absolute poverty (steven pinker). so just play that out over time. i'm not convinced automation will leave us with "nothing to do". people will still need to eat and we'll figure it out.

2019-03-10 11:10:37 UTC  

we'll figure it out aided by our more advanced technology

2019-03-10 11:11:25 UTC  

we have seen how smartphones have already brought new kind of jobs e.g., uber, could new technology bring other opportunties? e.g., automated farming equipment that is cheap and affordable? or other things we don't envision yet

2019-03-10 11:13:15 UTC  

@Eno_ You've got it wrong, income inequality is not really a problem

2019-03-10 11:13:19 UTC  

the rich get richer but the poor also get's richer

2019-03-10 11:13:28 UTC  

I highly doubt full automation will happen.

2019-03-10 11:13:36 UTC  

if you read my message i am arguing for why it isn't a problem