would you not say humans going extinct is the collapse of society?

thats what im asking you. i would say that, yes. but im wondering if youre talking about the end of humanity or not

sure let's say that

sorry if that was unclear lol

if humanity ended then yeah i guess

but well try darn hard to not go extinct

it wont be easy i think

it wouldn't be hard either

if humanity ended, then yes, communism is not inevitable. but im working on the firm belief that humanity wont end soon, assuming we address and deal with existential threats

which most of us do

i should wonder if there are climate change deniers here or not

i seem to remember there are but i could be mixing up servers

climate change is an example of an existential threat that humans have addressed and are mostly dealing with

anti-vaxxer is the new climate change denier

what do you think a communist society would be like?

i'm afraid it could be terribly boring

there are also plain old climate change deniers but the resurgance of diseases might be considered an existential threat

a lot of people once they retire no longer know what to do and just waste away

there are also some ultra wealthy who after reaching that pinnacle start becoming nihilist

hopefully people in this society will have a lot of freedom. the communist part is that there are specialists dividing resources up among all the people people and planning production. so a more accurate term might be democratic socialism or, as i said earlier, technocracy. but it could certainly be called communist.

i imagine videogames, movies, music and art will become the normal form of entertainment. education too i imagine

certainly sports as well

everyone would be retired but could volunteer to do unnecessary jobs likely. it would be 100% voluntary, unless you count peer pressure

it could be fun tbh

Then we could devote all our time to the advancement of human knowledge

yeah

Which would be super cool

Oh yeah then we might end up with transhumanism

Which would be interesting to say the least

Hey Morty, check this out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOp1b1obC04

@Leo (BillNyeLand) Visitor that automation advancing in rapid ways is the very long term, the UBI will cause inflation due to the reason above. I don't think Vat is a good way of "reducing overspending", not that all spending done naturally isn't "over" or "under", the best way is to abolish the fed and let the market control the interest rates, this will incentivise savings as the supply of real loanable funds will be low and interest rates will be high.

Yeah UBI is not tested but thats most likely what will happen, read above on why people getting $1k a year would cause problems.

@!AAmazing Hoping This is incorrect.

A labour force will always exist.

Despite what people say, a labour force will always exist and full automation will not happen. People will be working with more jobs we don't even know of today.

if full automation did happen and human labor was worth zero in the economy that would be really bad too imo

because people, men especially, are hard wired to work and contribute to society, and ubi would not resolve that

i bet there would be a wave of substance abuse and suicides

but i don't think that is going to happen either

i think, technology will continue to improve, and make our lives easier in some ways, and i'm betting the amount of poor people will increase