Message from @Leo (BillNyeLand)

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2019-03-10 01:59:24 UTC  

What happens later is another matter.

2019-03-10 02:00:27 UTC  

why would society not collapse?

2019-03-10 02:00:41 UTC  

any number of things could end it all right now

2019-03-10 02:01:11 UTC  

it would restructure

2019-03-10 02:01:17 UTC  

and eventually be communist

2019-03-10 02:01:27 UTC  

how does something restructure itself if it ceases to exist

2019-03-10 02:02:19 UTC  

do you mean the human species going extinct or society collapsing? i see that as two different things, and humans always organize into societies and subsocieties

2019-03-10 02:02:52 UTC  

would you not say humans going extinct is the collapse of society?

2019-03-10 02:05:01 UTC  

thats what im asking you. i would say that, yes. but im wondering if youre talking about the end of humanity or not

2019-03-10 02:05:16 UTC  

sure let's say that

2019-03-10 02:05:19 UTC  

sorry if that was unclear lol

2019-03-10 02:05:30 UTC  

if humanity ended then yeah i guess

2019-03-10 02:05:43 UTC  

but well try darn hard to not go extinct

2019-03-10 02:05:54 UTC  

it wont be easy i think

2019-03-10 02:06:19 UTC  

it wouldn't be hard either

2019-03-10 02:06:59 UTC  

if humanity ended, then yes, communism is not inevitable. but im working on the firm belief that humanity wont end soon, assuming we address and deal with existential threats

2019-03-10 02:07:04 UTC  

which most of us do

2019-03-10 02:07:23 UTC  

i should wonder if there are climate change deniers here or not

2019-03-10 02:07:36 UTC  

i seem to remember there are but i could be mixing up servers

2019-03-10 02:08:03 UTC  

climate change is an example of an existential threat that humans have addressed and are mostly dealing with

2019-03-10 02:09:06 UTC  

anti-vaxxer is the new climate change denier

2019-03-10 02:10:19 UTC  

what do you think a communist society would be like?

2019-03-10 02:10:30 UTC  

i'm afraid it could be terribly boring

2019-03-10 02:10:47 UTC  

there are also plain old climate change deniers but the resurgance of diseases might be considered an existential threat

2019-03-10 02:10:48 UTC  

a lot of people once they retire no longer know what to do and just waste away

2019-03-10 02:11:14 UTC  

there are also some ultra wealthy who after reaching that pinnacle start becoming nihilist

2019-03-10 02:12:52 UTC  

hopefully people in this society will have a lot of freedom. the communist part is that there are specialists dividing resources up among all the people people and planning production. so a more accurate term might be democratic socialism or, as i said earlier, technocracy. but it could certainly be called communist.

2019-03-10 02:13:34 UTC  

i imagine videogames, movies, music and art will become the normal form of entertainment. education too i imagine

2019-03-10 02:13:49 UTC  

certainly sports as well

2019-03-10 02:14:39 UTC  

everyone would be retired but could volunteer to do unnecessary jobs likely. it would be 100% voluntary, unless you count peer pressure

2019-03-10 02:14:44 UTC  

it could be fun tbh

2019-03-10 02:53:51 UTC  

Then we could devote all our time to the advancement of human knowledge

2019-03-10 02:54:57 UTC  

yeah

2019-03-10 02:55:07 UTC  

Which would be super cool

2019-03-10 02:55:21 UTC  

Oh yeah then we might end up with transhumanism

2019-03-10 02:55:29 UTC  

Which would be interesting to say the least

2019-03-10 05:52:27 UTC  

Hey Morty, check this out!

2019-03-10 09:57:02 UTC  

@Leo (BillNyeLand) Visitor that automation advancing in rapid ways is the very long term, the UBI will cause inflation due to the reason above. I don't think Vat is a good way of "reducing overspending", not that all spending done naturally isn't "over" or "under", the best way is to abolish the fed and let the market control the interest rates, this will incentivise savings as the supply of real loanable funds will be low and interest rates will be high.

2019-03-10 09:57:21 UTC  

Yeah UBI is not tested but thats most likely what will happen, read above on why people getting $1k a year would cause problems.

2019-03-10 09:57:49 UTC  

@!AAmazing Hoping This is incorrect.