Means of production isn't only machines

nowdays

MOP dosent necessarily mean tools or machines

you seem to have a common misconception of socialism

looks like I gotta get rid of that

and yes @HaplessOperator it's also a misconception that everyone earns the same, don't believe that shit.

So, say, for an agency like... Boeing, for example

What would the means of production be

ur mom

Well for boeing, it would be anyone who works for boeing

like aerospace engineers and more

oh wait I misinterpreted

it would be the capital owned by boeing, as well as all facilities and such

Workstations, laptops, radios...

The guns, working dogs...

Well yes, but they may not necessarily be owned by boeing itself if their personal property

guns and dogs?

What about the ambulances and medical equipment.

And the fire trucks.

they would be owned by the respective agency, unless their facilities have inhouse medical equipment and fire trucks

It is in-house, yes.

Same with the guns and working dogs.

Well then, they would be owned communally then, nobody is able to take that privately for themselves

laptops may be personal property

Couldn't be.

Security measures would basically preclude that in any way.

There's sensitive, *sensitive* shit at those facilities.

Well, yea.

so what other questions do you have?

So how does that mesh, when you run into shit that cannot be communally owned or handled due to its very nature

things like?

Like the laptops. And guns. Basically anything that would be serialized gear.

laptops will be your own personal property, while for guns if their company guns then no.

But we already established that the laptops couldn't work like that.

You couldn't take this sort of thing home.

but really, laptops are kind of vague really, they arent a MOP and we don't want to collectivise them

Except here they are MOP

They're company capital, the tools of the trade

And a storehouse of sensitive information that *cannot* be leaked.

Well, MOP is anything that can be considered as a utility able to make a profit or considered capital, but company laptops may not be necessarily be considered a MOP, but the laptop/computer YOU own, the house and car YOU own, they are personal property.

any other questions?