Message from @Kaladin

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2019-03-08 08:29:27 UTC  

He votes for what is right

2019-03-08 08:29:42 UTC  

I mean, not as good an ron, but sill the best man in government rn

2019-03-08 08:33:21 UTC  

Not like we're getting a wall

2019-03-08 08:33:43 UTC  

Might as well get $1,000 a month

2019-03-08 08:33:52 UTC  

We need landmines and turrets

2019-03-08 08:36:00 UTC  

That $1000 a month will have bad consequences

2019-03-08 08:36:00 UTC  

Do you know why he brings up UBI? @Kaladin We coming very shortly to the reality of automation of many more jobs. Particularly truck drivers. He is one of the only ones to bring up the way technology will change the economy

2019-03-08 08:36:42 UTC  

Yeah so? Automation isn't bad for the economy, it is better for the average person to have lower prices.

2019-03-08 08:37:26 UTC  

It will be 3-4x as many jobs being replaced than the previous change in automation

2019-03-08 08:37:58 UTC  

What will happen to the millions of truck drivers ? The rust belt has never recovered

2019-03-08 08:38:24 UTC  

We don't work to work, we work to have a better life. But the division of labour is a thing, and specialisation. With automation, we will just have more jobs in different sectors, maybe in another sector that doesn't exist yet

2019-03-08 08:38:25 UTC  

This would be devastating unless you're a CEO in a big liberal city

2019-03-08 08:39:13 UTC  

Well most jobs in a big city

2019-03-08 08:39:41 UTC  

But that's not the reality

2019-03-08 08:39:59 UTC  

I want a source for the number of truck drivers, but I don't see how it is bad to have cheaper transport costs. And they can train to get into a new profession, or maybe the jobs won't all disappear overnight, because it's a gradual change

2019-03-08 08:40:10 UTC  

It is, and has been for the last 200 years

2019-03-08 08:40:47 UTC  

Are you fan of Tucker Carlson?

2019-03-08 08:41:09 UTC  

I like some of things, but not really

2019-03-08 08:41:26 UTC  

I’m sleepy

2019-03-08 08:41:28 UTC  

And he is very wrong on economics

2019-03-08 08:41:41 UTC  

Maybe get some rest?

2019-03-08 08:42:12 UTC  

But yeah, I'm a tom woods guy

2019-03-08 08:44:08 UTC  

If you look at the backdrop we automated away 4 million jobs in Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Missouri. And those communities have never recovered.

2019-03-08 08:44:58 UTC  

Where if you look at the numbers. Half of the workers left the work force and never worked again.

2019-03-08 08:45:20 UTC  

And then half of that group filed for disabilities

2019-03-08 08:45:21 UTC  

Yeah, that's shit. But you can't solve that with an UBI, nor is that necessary a national problem

2019-03-08 08:45:28 UTC  

Source please

2019-03-08 08:45:49 UTC  

Question, do you support the tariffs?

2019-03-08 08:47:46 UTC  

I don't do sources. waste of time. Hopefully you don't need a source to understand that this automation will happen to truckdrivers, retail workers, fast food workers. On and on and on through the economy.

2019-03-08 08:48:21 UTC  

As we evolve in technology we marginalize the labor of more and more Americans

2019-03-08 08:48:21 UTC  

Okay, so I'm supposed to take your word as truth that half the work force never worked again?

2019-03-08 08:49:04 UTC  

The automation of jobs seems a bit too obvious for me to waste time finding where I read it

2019-03-08 08:49:12 UTC  

But...that's completely factually incorrect. At the dawn of the 20th century, agriculture was the biggest sector, now it's less than 1%. That's not a bad thing for the economy.

2019-03-08 08:49:24 UTC  

I mean the part about half the work force never working again

2019-03-08 08:51:08 UTC  

But the automation means that you get those things for cheaper. Think about the hours of meaningless paperwork now saved. Yes, I'm not saying that people laid off will find it easy, but it's about looking at where people are hiring, and making informed decisions. Making sure you know mutiple different skills, that you aren't just good for one industry. Being able to jump, having something in the back pocket

2019-03-08 08:54:02 UTC  

I remember the idea in Washington is that they will all become computer programmers and so everything would be fine. But it didn't happen. I personally think it would be insane to watch this automation wave over take our country and economy.

2019-03-08 08:55:11 UTC  

No, not everyone will enter the same industry. It's about individual decisions not commands from on high

2019-03-08 08:55:27 UTC  

Yes, and the luddites said the same thing in the 19th century

2019-03-08 08:55:35 UTC  

what's your solution? Ban machines?

2019-03-08 08:55:54 UTC  

We don't have to be ostrages with our heads in the sand. We can say "look we get it, artificial intelligence is real self driving trucks and cars are being tested on the highways right now. And we need to evolve

2019-03-08 08:56:36 UTC  

Yes, I agree. But your way of evolving isn't evolution, it's the same old solutions