Message from @Pepin

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2019-03-08 08:44:08 UTC  

If you look at the backdrop we automated away 4 million jobs in Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Missouri. And those communities have never recovered.

2019-03-08 08:44:58 UTC  

Where if you look at the numbers. Half of the workers left the work force and never worked again.

2019-03-08 08:45:20 UTC  

And then half of that group filed for disabilities

2019-03-08 08:45:21 UTC  

Yeah, that's shit. But you can't solve that with an UBI, nor is that necessary a national problem

2019-03-08 08:45:28 UTC  

Source please

2019-03-08 08:45:49 UTC  

Question, do you support the tariffs?

2019-03-08 08:47:46 UTC  

I don't do sources. waste of time. Hopefully you don't need a source to understand that this automation will happen to truckdrivers, retail workers, fast food workers. On and on and on through the economy.

2019-03-08 08:48:21 UTC  

As we evolve in technology we marginalize the labor of more and more Americans

2019-03-08 08:48:21 UTC  

Okay, so I'm supposed to take your word as truth that half the work force never worked again?

2019-03-08 08:49:04 UTC  

The automation of jobs seems a bit too obvious for me to waste time finding where I read it

2019-03-08 08:49:12 UTC  

But...that's completely factually incorrect. At the dawn of the 20th century, agriculture was the biggest sector, now it's less than 1%. That's not a bad thing for the economy.

2019-03-08 08:49:24 UTC  

I mean the part about half the work force never working again

2019-03-08 08:51:08 UTC  

But the automation means that you get those things for cheaper. Think about the hours of meaningless paperwork now saved. Yes, I'm not saying that people laid off will find it easy, but it's about looking at where people are hiring, and making informed decisions. Making sure you know mutiple different skills, that you aren't just good for one industry. Being able to jump, having something in the back pocket

2019-03-08 08:54:02 UTC  

I remember the idea in Washington is that they will all become computer programmers and so everything would be fine. But it didn't happen. I personally think it would be insane to watch this automation wave over take our country and economy.

2019-03-08 08:55:11 UTC  

No, not everyone will enter the same industry. It's about individual decisions not commands from on high

2019-03-08 08:55:27 UTC  

Yes, and the luddites said the same thing in the 19th century

2019-03-08 08:55:35 UTC  

what's your solution? Ban machines?

2019-03-08 08:55:54 UTC  

We don't have to be ostrages with our heads in the sand. We can say "look we get it, artificial intelligence is real self driving trucks and cars are being tested on the highways right now. And we need to evolve

2019-03-08 08:56:36 UTC  

Yes, I agree. But your way of evolving isn't evolution, it's the same old solutions

2019-03-08 08:56:41 UTC  

Statism never works

2019-03-08 08:57:42 UTC  

We need to start pushing the way we think of economic process to include how our families are doing, how are children are doing. And things that actually matter to the American people.

2019-03-08 08:58:03 UTC  

Define pushing the way we think of the economic process

2019-03-08 08:58:07 UTC  

tell me your solutions

2019-03-08 08:58:21 UTC  

GDP is going to lead us off a cliff for many American communities

2019-03-08 08:58:53 UTC  

GDP is a false measurement, agreed.

2019-03-08 09:00:23 UTC  

Robot trucks are great for the GDP. Terrible for many many American communities. So we need to get with the program and figure out how to actually make this economy work for the people.

2019-03-08 09:01:11 UTC  

Dude, self-driving trucks are good for people.

2019-03-08 09:01:39 UTC  

It's the number one job in America...

2019-03-08 09:01:57 UTC  

You are making meaningless assertions without offering *solutions*. Dude, you need to tell me what are you proposing as a solution

2019-03-08 09:02:00 UTC  

bullshit, source

2019-03-08 09:05:24 UTC  

Automation didn’t kill jobs

2019-03-08 09:05:26 UTC  

Nor will it

2019-03-08 09:05:31 UTC  

I don't know the solution man. Yangs main goal in his campaign to tell people the numbers and the devastation it will have to so many Americans. I will try to find you a source if I have time. You sound curious so I suggest researching a little big on how automation has never recovered the rust belt

2019-03-08 09:05:32 UTC  

Automation creates more jobs

2019-03-08 09:05:48 UTC  

Why has the rust belt never recovered?

2019-03-08 09:05:56 UTC  

Welfare

2019-03-08 09:06:02 UTC  

And state intervention

2019-03-08 09:06:13 UTC  

Automation isn’t bad as the market will always re allocate jobs

2019-03-08 09:06:27 UTC  

But the state has made it worse by putting min wages etc

2019-03-08 09:06:33 UTC  

This will be 3-4x times as many jobs