Some yes, some no

it is not cluelessness but absolutism that would have some supporters leave him

Ann Coulter for example, one of the retards who would keep the gov shut down indefinitely since she has no sympathy for the 800,000 people who weren't getting paid

I'm another one of those retards

Maybe retard is a wrong word since Ann Coulter is smart enough to know that dems won't cave in

Trying to think of new word brb

let it burn if it is too corrupt to put good security measures in place

Let what burn

I would really rather see the US government collapse right now, rather than see the status quo continue indefinitely

Lol

I am fine with the shutdown

Ah so you're an authoritarian

I am a pragmatist

but the extreme population density and technological advances of our time have made libertarianism obsolete

You're willing to see the destruction of America in order for a wall

....

they've made democracy obsolete as well

and that's a stupid thing to say

I said I'd see the collapse of the American government

And what replaces it? lol

that is far from being the same thing as America

The American government won’t collapse

I hope not

But it’s the fact that we have a swamp in dc

Nothing will get done

Explain

What do you guys mean by swamp

It goes so far beyond DC my friend

It is old and entrenched and widespread as you can imagine

Politicians are lying and millennials are believing it

people who disagree with you? (aka liberals) or how campaign finance and corporate lobbying has corrupted a large portion of our congress and government?

How the fuck does AOC get in office with her ideas

People agree with her

She’s more of a socialist than people in Venezuela

no she's actually not

That’s the problem

Economically they are similar socially they are completely different

People don’t want to work, and they want others to fund their benefits

Lincoln was right, we are changing our ideals and destroying ourselves

?

How are we changing our ideals