Message from @MikeyMike
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https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2003/12/how-to-kill-a-country/302845/
From 2003. Look for the links.
@Dusty
Let me turn the question around:
What is it that you dislike about Trump?
@Jerm his attitude towards woman, anti climate change stance. His brash and childish way with Twitter. His attitude to Peurto Rico, Charlottesville, guns ...
@Dusty Let's be more specific.
What is his attitude towards women? Are you referring to his locker room banter from a decade ago? Around 20 million women voted for him, including a woman I personally know. (Former South African.)
The locker room talk ... sort of. A one off incident is no big deal. His comments 're dating his own daughter, rating woman's bodies, ad hominem attacks, calling them pigs, comments made about reporters face still bleeding from cosmetic surgery ... mockery of disabled people ... I know many woman voted for him. But many woman stay with men who beat them ....
Most of what he says is out of context, if you look at the "Disabled guy" he mocked, he wasnt actually mocking him about a disability, and the way he waved his hands is something he does often and the media says it was aimed at the disabled guy (Many alternative news outlets have evidence of this).... I take a lot of it with a pinch of salt... Dont get me wrong, I dont agree with everything he does or stands for, but I would def vote for him.
@Roovdwalt I fully appreciate that. I do think msm cherry picks / edits to suit their narrative. I'm going to expand on this when my bloody PC stops asking me to pick squares with cars to get into discord. Using phone atm which is a hassle.
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There are hundreds of videos on youtube like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKcht0ApsDg
And with regards to locker room talk, Ill be frank and say that I dont know any straight male that has not had some sort of locker room talk. Anyway, what is important to note, and what I find myself doing all the time, is just looking an multiple views and debates on Trumps actions, and generally one of those views will resonate and make sense to me, and then I come up with my own interpretation. The amount of bull shit the media spreads is actually horrifying.
The woman I know, who voted for him, is divorced and highly successful. She lives in Malibu, which is largely Clinton supporters.
What I'm saying is that Trump might not be what the media makes him out to be. The markets love him, and he is following through on his campaign promises like no other president before him. Good or bad, that he is sticking to his guns makes him respectable, in my opinion.
Roovdwalt - yes, the lock room talk is certainly normal - I dont think one can have an issue with that as a single incident - but tack on his other comments and there is a bit of a pattern - he's a mans man and his personal character is abhorrent to me. I dont think much will change my mind on that one. However, your point about MSM cherry picking is 100% correct, and that I dont follow US politics all that closely, that I am asking what I am missing - what makes Trump so appealling.
I certainly think Obama would be more pleasant at a braai, than Trump. But I think Trump is a better president than Obama.
@Jerm I think you have a point there - Barry was far more palatable and affable. I do think that if Trump was less abrasive, he might not inspire such a massive divide in opinion and people would focus more on what he is DOING and not what he is SAYING.
I also think that Trump is a result of the left's constant dismissal of anything to do with white males who are straight. The more the media tries to reduce men to nothing, the more pushback we will see, like we are seeing.
"Toxic masculinity" mantra leads to guys flipping the bird.
I feel like Trump is very calculated in the way he speaks and what he says. If you have read the art of the deal, a lot of it will make sense. Most may find it repulsive, but he does it for a reason and obviously it works.
I like Trump. Him becoming Prez has made the left eat themselves and brought out their true beliefs and intentions.
Plus, Trump was a businessman who had a TV show and then got pissed off at everything. He said I'm going to run for president to fix this mess. Everybody laughed and then he won.
That, to me, is brilliant.
The moment he announced it I said to my wife he will win and she laughed. It is the only thing the wife has ever admitted to being wrong about.
@MikeyMike Wives can admit being wrong????
Only once LOL
The best for me was election night, with all the media expecting Hillary to win, and the change from upbeat to lower than life expressions was classic
@Jerm @MikeyMike @Roovdwalt - I can see the merit in your points. I read the art of the deal, liked Trump in the Apprentice. He has brought businesses and himself back from the brink - so from that perspective, it would be wrong to say is an idiot - I am just saying that as a person I find him repulsive, I find his employment of his family a bit dodgey, should a president still have such close dealings with his businesses whilst in office? Are Huckabee and Guilliani really good reps for his case? I dont know. Like I say I dont understand American politics - right now my main concern is SA. And a shared concern that MSM everywhere has an agenda - which is one of the reasons I support alternative media sources becuase they are not obliged to jump to tunes that they dont agree with.
@Dusty You have valid concerns, I think what matters, and what will get him in office again is more about what he is doing for the economy as well as his slogan on putting America first. Which must be a breath of fresh air for most people especially the people that have been struggling without work or who had no real access to the economy
@Roovdwalt I appreciate that Trumps win was a good "up yours" to the opposition. But there is the question that he didn't win the popular vote? I personally wouldnt have voted for Clinton either. Its times like these that I think Roman of the Renegade Reports beliefs in anarchism / self determination are spot on.
How does the popular vote work here in SA? Even the people that vote for the ANC are suffering. The electoral system in the states has always been like that, cannot say it doesnt work once Trump is elected
The popular vote is a misnomer.
I fully believe in Self Determination... The problem with it is that it can take a whole life time to happen, time that we do not have
In our country of course, much easier in a place like the US
@Jerm that is trolling level: 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Thanks @Roovdwalt - that an excellent point and one I have thought of. I think that if Trump tweaked the way he delivers his messages, tones down / fine tunes his tweet storms, this point will be the focus of his presidency, not SNL skits with Stormy Daniels for eg, or Melania's choice of "I dont care jacket". Again I am not a fundi on American voting system - but the disparity between the electoral college and pop vote was disproportionate this time around. As for the popular vote in SA ..... eish! That is a can of worms all on its own . Lastly, yes - self determination is time we dont have .... things are becoming very claustrophobic in SA .
This was a great video released a year before the election and unbiased view on why Trumps charisma would win the election (May have been different if democrats didn't have Hillary on the ticket): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LibRNYJmZ-I
@Roovdwalt - I am entering uncharted territory here . I genuinely do not have enough knowledge of the US/Trump other than the odd bits here and there, and a personal dislike of him as a human - I really just wanted to know what was so great about Trump. I asked because , for instance for years I have dismissed Afriforum,, dismissed @Jerm for e.g. as a load of kooks and just read my MSM news like a good girl. In the last year I'd say I am now a lot more open to people whose opinions differ, and find myself agreeing with what might be called alt-right / far left similtaneously - reading all sides of the story and making my own mind up instead of having it made up for me.
@Dusty Welcome to the dark side LOL. Yeah look, Trump as a person sitting down with and shooting the shit with is probably not going to be most peoples cup of beer. As a president though,I think he has done more to open the eyes of a lot of people and given people that nudge to say fuck the MSM and to look for alternative media. In doing so, it has exposed the utter shit that has been pushed to people and I think this is a common thing around the world.
@Jerm - yes. That's whats inspired me to become a Patreon. I like authentic people, who are uncompromising on their own values and principles - and come from an educated place (ie all factors considered) and I like people who are brave enough to put their voice out their and not be ashamed of it.