@Jerm I mentioned specific things which I think are relevant. Put simply :
- He is more dishonest than most
- He is willing to increase human suffering in order to make political gains (might not be unique to him, but his
moves seem more arb.
- He is deliberately divisive

I think these are relevant, and these qualities can be witnessed without looking through the lense of MSM

I don't agree.

@Jerm Thats fine... you can be wrong if you want 😃

Obama was willing - and did - increase human suffering.

Obama deported the most immigrants than any president before him.

@Jerm whoah.... I gave the reasons why I dont like Trump

not the reasons why I like / dislike Obama

He was also the first president in US history to serve 2 full terms at war.

Trump's dishonesty doesn't matter to me.

it doesn't have to matter to you for it to matter

it doesn't matter to the markets either.

Trust is something that matters to markets... and leadership

his dishonesty just hasn't played out there

If that were true, then the markets would show it. They don't.

US Markets are looking good though

Markets are the best since 2014.

But are the US markets not better in a long time under Trump?

I'm not seeing actual data here, other than feelings.

yup

I dislike him "because he's dishonest".

Nobody cares about that.

US markets are doing good for now but they gana go into a recession soon, unfortunately trumps name will be on this recession

@freeplasma_africa can you substantiate?

He's the first US president to help broker a deal with N Korea.

@Jerm well thats not true

He's not nearly as useless as the media portray him.

you cant have your own facts

https://www.history.com/news/north-korea-nuclear-deal-bill-clinton-agreed-framework

I agree that he is not as useless as the media portray him

Oh, right. I forgot about that. ha

but I need to trust a leader

Thing is, @Tom_Servo , most of your gripes are the same things we hear over and over. They're just feelings.

US is 20 trillion in debt and trump has just begun a tariff war which will only hurt America. Plus he has cut taxes while increasing spending. Its also been 10 years since the last recession so it’s about time for a new one

trust is a legimate business requirement

Trumps dishonesty hasnt spilled over into the market.... YET

no reason to believe it wont

you sound like the Ramaphoria okes

In other words, speculation.

So we're talking about something that might or might not happen.

based on the data we have to make that decision

yes