Message from @Tom_Servo
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This was a great video released a year before the election and unbiased view on why Trumps charisma would win the election (May have been different if democrats didn't have Hillary on the ticket): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LibRNYJmZ-I
@Roovdwalt - I am entering uncharted territory here . I genuinely do not have enough knowledge of the US/Trump other than the odd bits here and there, and a personal dislike of him as a human - I really just wanted to know what was so great about Trump. I asked because , for instance for years I have dismissed Afriforum,, dismissed @Jerm for e.g. as a load of kooks and just read my MSM news like a good girl. In the last year I'd say I am now a lot more open to people whose opinions differ, and find myself agreeing with what might be called alt-right / far left similtaneously - reading all sides of the story and making my own mind up instead of having it made up for me.
@Dusty Welcome to the dark side LOL. Yeah look, Trump as a person sitting down with and shooting the shit with is probably not going to be most peoples cup of beer. As a president though,I think he has done more to open the eyes of a lot of people and given people that nudge to say fuck the MSM and to look for alternative media. In doing so, it has exposed the utter shit that has been pushed to people and I think this is a common thing around the world.
@Jerm - yes. That's whats inspired me to become a Patreon. I like authentic people, who are uncompromising on their own values and principles - and come from an educated place (ie all factors considered) and I like people who are brave enough to put their voice out their and not be ashamed of it.
@Dusty We have all been there, and being open minded, as well as having free though allows us to to form our own conclusions not conclusions MSM want to enforce on us. Ultimately, it does not matter what our individual thoughts are, what does is that we can speak about it without holding back and have meaningful dialog. I also find myself floating between right and left, and don't like being categorized as "Right wing, Left Wing or even centralist" I just want to be me.
@MikeyMike - 100% agree re: MSM - alternative media. @Roovdwalt you and I are on the same page. Its been good having a talk - I think its really important to engage! That said I have some work that I need to start engaging else that loaf of bread will fail to reach table shortly. Have a good day all.
Enjoy!
@Jerm to climb in on the Trump debate. I have a few mates in US some who voted for him and some who didn't. This is a conversation I have had with the ones who voted for him several times. What strikes me is how prevalent identity politics is everywhere in the world.
Trump on balance can't be described as a good person, but because of the bloody nose he gave the left people will defend the indefensible.
His attitude towards women is poor. The amount of woman voters he attracted doesn't change that. The ANC's attitude towards to poor is bad, and they still get the majority of the poor vote.
The MSM definitely overplays his fumbles, but there is no doubt that he used the zero tolerance policy at the border as a negotiating startegy... In my book that is really crappy.
If you took it from a US standpoint, he has played up divisions in society in order to consolidate power. Exactly what EFF and ANC do on this side. In my book that is really crappy.
Sites that log the honesty of leaders (that existed before Trump), show that he is far less honest than previous leaders (that in my book is crappy).
I don't know why people have to take this all or nothing approach to politics... they aren't sports teams, we can agree with some aspects and concede that other aspects are poor.
@Tom_Servo agreed, but if we look at dishonesty, then Clinton surely reins supreme... That was the biggest mistake of the democrats, having Clinton on the ballot
She had way too many scandals surrounding her and pretty much lied everytime she actually needed to be honest
I also don't get this Trump / Clinton ongoing comparison. Election was ages ago... He should now be judged on his own merit
and if she won, then she should have been
But, here are the stats :
Yeah of course, but the debate was on the presidential election and why people are attracted to him, so it is still relevant. If he is being judged on his campaign promises, I would say, barring a few things, he is on track
either way, republicans didn't have to put trump up as a candidate, so this false comparison to Hillary gets old... There were some decent conservative candidates early in the primaries but Trumps playground strategy worked
Trump is their Zuma
doesnt matter what he does, supporters will defend
When I see this I dont know if Politifact is liberal owned with its own Bias
well thats your call to make.... but if evidence that contradicts your viewpoint makes you double down on your existing view point then I would suggest that no evidence will ever be enough
all I can say (anecdotally) was that a republican friend sent me this site after obama was elected to show how much he was lying
and on single items I have not encountered clearly biased findings
these graphs are the scores of investigated claims
I am always seeking the truth, but when I see such a difference between democrats and republicans on a website, I question what is not being told.
fair enough - it is possible that they choose not to investigate democrat lies, but you can search the site and see if your favourites are there
in my experience they are balanced
Its the first time I have seen the site, so please excuse my ignorance, I am just pointing out on first impressions
I am not trying to be rude (sorry if it comes off that way)
I am not radical leftist, I dont take offense 😃
Its still difficult to know what is true and false, I know that Poynter is funded by George Soros, as are many fact checking companies
yoh great trump chat!
Damn, wish every leftist would watch this with an open mind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVruEq-Gupk
I love Trump because he flips the bird at everybody. He has completely derailed mainstream media and doesn't give a shit.
@Robzombie I saw that earlier today, was def interesting
And his presidency isn't terrible either. The markets are doing fine. The people who hate him are just emotional.
