Arguing over him being good or bad is silly.

You're using moral judgements - not facts.

you asked the question mate

This is a fact:

Has federal spending increased or decreased?

This is not a fact:

"He is a bad leader."

fair enough... that was my opinion, but I thought the rest of my point explained why I have that opinion

trustworthiness can be proved

I like Trump because he is not afraid to speak and is not PC... That is being fearless in my opinion

his divisiveness can be proved

Great. Good for you. 😂

I like Trump and think he's doing a great job at annoying the media. That's my opinion.

58 million voted for him.

I only like trump because he is a trolling legend😂

We should all end our comments with "in my opinion"

Arguing over him being a good or bad leader is hilariously stupid.

What do the markets say?

Let's go look.

@Jerm it is hillarious that you do exactly what you accuse the left of

"I don't like him because he's divisive."

Bush was divisive.

Because he headed up a party that was in opposition to another party.

not deliberately to shore up power

To be honest, all leaders are divisive

he was divisive on policy

If you are part of a party with views that differ from another, OF COURSE you will be divisive.

What's wrong with being divisive?

Helen Zille is divisive.

nothing... I didn't realise that I would have to be so specific in everything I said here. The implication was that deliberate divisiveness is what I have an issue with

I do not think it is sustainable

in the long term, and feeds into identity politics

Welcome to politics, mate. 😃

That's why I oppose government.

I don't want to be led.

@Jerm awesome that you outgrew that naivety

@Jerm agreed

But Trump is a master troll, and that makes him fantastic.

So trolling is your criteria for good leadership

yup we are going to differ on that one

The pot needs to be stirred to ensure the food doesnt get burnt

fantastic is not?

thats just a feeling