Fantastic to witness.

well if good or bad leadership can't be defined then what is the point?

Let’s be honest, it’s amazing to see trump call CNN fake news.

do you feel the same when the EFF says it when the media pans them @freeplasma_africa

@Jerm I didnt say it did? This is a discussion forum about politics and identity politics

hard to discuss opinions without venturing one

A better discussion might be whether or not the economy is sinking due to his policies. The current evidence suggests that it isn't sinking at all.

@Jerm all I did was say why I thought trump was a bad leader. An opinion which I gave reasons for.

i think it was more framed as why I dont like him

I'm sure he is a bad leader in many respects.

why do you ask questions you dont want to hear answers too?

or do you just want people to echo your opinions?

Jerm : Why dont you like trump

ME: Because XYZ

Jerm : No one cares

fact - supported by data..... he lies more than other politicians... a lot more

Okay fine. He lies a lot.

Who cares if Zuma lied a lot. What matters is this.

Compared to this.

honesty indicates to me how someone will conduct business and deal with the power that office gives you. Zuma is a great example. His dishonesty along with a mobilised supporter base that would defend anything he did laid the path for unprecedented state capture. Based on what we have experienced in this country I am weary of leaders who exhibit these brazen levels of dishonesty and are able to unite large portions of the population by being deliberately divisive towards the rest.

it takes time to empty koffers... I am not saying Trump will or is doing that, but what he the character traits he has exhibited makes me think he is more likely to

An honest politician is an oxymoron.

sigh

he is a level of magnitide different to other politicians

that is fact based

This is why I am not an economist... Of course being a leader is subjective, but obviously he is doing something right... The average American is surely benefiting from this. Strong growth means more money in the pockets and more spending. If these numbers continue, no doubt he should get another term... Decreasing socialist policies will also have a positive effect on the economy.

we can get into that economic data, but it would be best to look at it after 4 to 5 years

zumas first 3 didnt look so bad either

If you cant trust a president that lies would that mean you would never trust any president.... Since they all lie?

i dont trust any president

or politician

would you agree that Zuma's corruption was on another level to Mbeki's corruption?

yet they were both corrupt

your argument is like saying, well they are all corrupt so we can just except the ridiculous turbo level corruption then

corruption is like a circle, whether it is big or small, it is still 360 degrees...

accept not except

No for sure, corrupt is corrupt and lies are lies.

Zuma's first few years were actually very unstable.

@Jerm please show the numbers on the right

it was just 2009

the rest were fairly stable