Message from @Tom_Servo

Discord ID: 478560579234037770


2018-08-13 13:44:05 UTC  

Because he headed up a party that was in opposition to another party.

2018-08-13 13:44:07 UTC  

not deliberately to shore up power

2018-08-13 13:44:16 UTC  

To be honest, all leaders are divisive

2018-08-13 13:44:35 UTC  

he was divisive on policy

2018-08-13 13:44:40 UTC  

If you are part of a party with views that differ from another, OF COURSE you will be divisive.

2018-08-13 13:44:58 UTC  

What's wrong with being divisive?

2018-08-13 13:45:17 UTC  

Helen Zille is divisive.

2018-08-13 13:45:39 UTC  

nothing... I didn't realise that I would have to be so specific in everything I said here. The implication was that deliberate divisiveness is what I have an issue with

2018-08-13 13:45:43 UTC  

I do not think it is sustainable

2018-08-13 13:45:53 UTC  

in the long term, and feeds into identity politics

2018-08-13 13:45:53 UTC  

Welcome to politics, mate. 😃

2018-08-13 13:46:06 UTC  

That's why I oppose government.

2018-08-13 13:46:14 UTC  

I don't want to be led.

2018-08-13 13:46:19 UTC  

@Jerm awesome that you outgrew that naivety

2018-08-13 13:47:14 UTC  

@Jerm agreed

2018-08-13 13:47:30 UTC  

But Trump is a master troll, and that makes him fantastic.

2018-08-13 13:47:57 UTC  

So trolling is your criteria for good leadership

2018-08-13 13:48:08 UTC  

yup we are going to differ on that one

2018-08-13 13:48:13 UTC  

The pot needs to be stirred to ensure the food doesnt get burnt

2018-08-13 13:48:40 UTC  

fantastic is not?

2018-08-13 13:48:53 UTC  

thats just a feeling

2018-08-13 13:48:56 UTC  

Fantastic to witness.

2018-08-13 13:49:19 UTC  

well if good or bad leadership can't be defined then what is the point?

2018-08-13 13:49:31 UTC  

Let’s be honest, it’s amazing to see trump call CNN fake news.

2018-08-13 13:50:18 UTC  

do you feel the same when the EFF says it when the media pans them @freeplasma_africa

2018-08-13 13:50:37 UTC  

@Jerm I didnt say it did? This is a discussion forum about politics and identity politics

2018-08-13 13:50:52 UTC  

hard to discuss opinions without venturing one

2018-08-13 13:52:04 UTC  

A better discussion might be whether or not the economy is sinking due to his policies. The current evidence suggests that it isn't sinking at all.

2018-08-13 13:52:16 UTC  

@Jerm all I did was say why I thought trump was a bad leader. An opinion which I gave reasons for.

2018-08-13 13:52:29 UTC  

i think it was more framed as why I dont like him

2018-08-13 13:52:42 UTC  

I'm sure he is a bad leader in many respects.

2018-08-13 13:52:47 UTC  

why do you ask questions you dont want to hear answers too?

2018-08-13 13:52:56 UTC  

or do you just want people to echo your opinions?

2018-08-13 13:53:08 UTC  

Jerm : Why dont you like trump

2018-08-13 13:53:16 UTC  

ME: Because XYZ

2018-08-13 13:53:22 UTC  

Jerm : No one cares

2018-08-13 13:54:18 UTC  

fact - supported by data..... he lies more than other politicians... a lot more

2018-08-13 13:54:46 UTC  

Okay fine. He lies a lot.

2018-08-13 13:59:56 UTC  

Who cares if Zuma lied a lot. What matters is this.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/477183088141533209/478563361932705792/Screenshot_2018-08-13_at_15.59.25.jpg

2018-08-13 14:02:28 UTC  

Compared to this.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/477183088141533209/478563997055057940/Screenshot_2018-08-13_at_16.02.12.jpg

2018-08-13 14:14:16 UTC  

honesty indicates to me how someone will conduct business and deal with the power that office gives you. Zuma is a great example. His dishonesty along with a mobilised supporter base that would defend anything he did laid the path for unprecedented state capture. Based on what we have experienced in this country I am weary of leaders who exhibit these brazen levels of dishonesty and are able to unite large portions of the population by being deliberately divisive towards the rest.