Message from @Tom_Servo

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2018-08-16 11:26:00 UTC  

its is only simple if you willfully choose to ignore the complications

2018-08-16 11:26:11 UTC  

It is complicated, you are right

2018-08-16 11:26:17 UTC  

It is only complicated if you willfully choose to ignore the simplicity.

2018-08-16 11:26:36 UTC  

but not impossible

2018-08-16 11:27:16 UTC  

Everything is about people. Once you understand human behaviour, it makes everything simpler.

2018-08-16 11:27:27 UTC  

I'd suggest reading some Hayek, Friedman, and Sowell.

2018-08-16 11:28:50 UTC  

If you argue that a company must be regulated by the state, then you must also explain how you arrived at the regulations and why you believe the state is the most efficient regulator. Based on, well, EVERYTHING, the state is a very inefficient regulator.

2018-08-16 11:29:30 UTC  

State and regulation shouldnt be in the same sentence

2018-08-16 11:30:25 UTC  

because again, is blue right or is green right... and I dont want the state to decide that

2018-08-16 11:30:44 UTC  

Example:

I smoke (I don't, actually). My wife doesn't want me to smoke. Which is more efficient:

1. She threatens not to have sex with me until I stop smoking.
2. The government increases sin tax on tobacoo.

2018-08-16 11:30:55 UTC  

Like I said - I dont have the answer, but I can say that the power to silence held by these companies is not healthy

2018-08-16 11:31:06 UTC  

you are blind if you dont see that

2018-08-16 11:31:27 UTC  

You're right. It IS unhealthy. I've never said otherwise.

2018-08-16 11:31:50 UTC  

@Jerm I agree with you on the tobacco.... although I will include the caveat that if smokers are shown to put more of a burden on state funded healthcare, then they should contribute more toward that healthcare

2018-08-16 11:32:00 UTC  

I agree it is not ideal, but it does open new avenues like Gab... The people will move when they cannot be heard and their followers will follow

2018-08-16 11:32:23 UTC  

State funded healthcare shouldn't exist. Here is an example of the government making things complicated.

2018-08-16 11:32:43 UTC  

@Roovdwalt That's how the market works, yes. Exactly.

2018-08-16 11:34:32 UTC  

If you want healthcare, then you choose to pay for it. It should be voluntary. Problem is that it isn't. NHI will be forced onto everybody and then people will choose to still pay for private healthcare after that. It's compounding the matter and not very efficient. It's like paying a tax on top of a tax.

2018-08-16 11:36:05 UTC  

your arguments are really very similar to arguments I have with communists.... Communism presents the following problem. Yes, but this is not pure communism that problem wouldn't exist in pure communism.

2018-08-16 11:36:50 UTC  

if we can both agree that something is problematic, why can't we discuss all possibilities of addressing it

2018-08-16 11:37:03 UTC  

even if one of those thoughts might be in conflict with an existing belief?

2018-08-16 11:37:52 UTC  

I'm anything but a communist. I support individual freedom. That means I support your freedom to do as you please. There's nothing remotely close to communism there.

2018-08-16 11:38:14 UTC  

@Jerm you are missing my point

2018-08-16 11:38:34 UTC  

you defend the free market using the same logic that communists use to defend communism

2018-08-16 11:38:38 UTC  

I gave examples to highlight my point. I noted the problem with state healthcare, for example.

2018-08-16 11:38:41 UTC  

- in this particular case

2018-08-16 11:39:12 UTC  

Let me make it even simpler.

2018-08-16 11:39:13 UTC  

I dont know why we got to healthcare frankly... I am raising the issue of FB and free speech.

2018-08-16 11:39:33 UTC  

your argument is that FB is not really operating in a free market

2018-08-16 11:39:41 UTC  

so the problem wouldnt exist if we just did it right

2018-08-16 11:40:12 UTC  

I have a guitar. I want to sell it and somebody wants to buy it.

The trade can be as simple as that. But the state interferes in that trade by forcing itself into getting a cut of the sale. It then takes that cut to expand its own authority.

2018-08-16 11:41:38 UTC  

more like... you have 90% of all the guitars.... someone else has the other 10% but none of them can be tuned properly. You refuse to sell me one of your guitars because you dont like the music I will play

2018-08-16 11:42:11 UTC  

or we can skip analogies and look at the actual case I put forward

2018-08-16 11:42:17 UTC  

@Tom_Servo You only think about the big guns without thinking about the consequences for the start up. Strict regulations will make it much harder to to even start your business.

2018-08-16 11:42:20 UTC  

it is easy enough to understand without a metaphor

2018-08-16 11:42:28 UTC  

Facebook having the right to choose who gets kicked as opposed to being told who to kick are two very different political spectrums

2018-08-16 11:42:40 UTC  

FB got big because the market liked it. Now that it's very big, suddenly it can't have a say over its own behaviour?

2018-08-16 11:43:05 UTC  

@Gonzo This is a valid concern... and I am not dismissing it... as I said, I dont know what the solution is, but I think the solution lies outside of a pure free market solution

2018-08-16 11:44:21 UTC  

@Tom_Servo Never. Free market gave us everything we have now.

2018-08-16 11:44:56 UTC  

"pure"

2018-08-16 11:45:06 UTC  

I dont think we have had a "pure" free market anywhere