Okay, so then at what point does Facebook lose its policy right?

@Gonzo no company is good or bad... it is a machine. The market can attach a value to morality and in that sense the market is "good" or "Bad" .

But people are generally dense, that is why we dont write a constitution by referendum

@Roovdwalt That's exactly it. Mark is known to be a leftie and Obama buddy. He doesn't like anything "right wing". Google is in a similar position to him. They even fired a dude who said that women and men are different.

@Jerm Not saying I have the answer... but it is something I have been wrestling with, because I do not think it is simple

It IS simple. The government has made it complicated.

and I feel certain corporations are starting to have power beyond manufacturing and supplying goods. They are shaping society, and that is a problem

@Jerm how did govt make the FB / Jones issue complicated

The moment a company is in bed with the state, you no longer have capitalism / free market.

@Jerm not following how this relates to FB issue

@Tom_Servo I agree that they are shaping society. At the end of the day that doesnt matter, because we all as individuals have a choice to be on that platform or not. There are alternatives (Maybe not popular) but at the end of the day we have a choice to be on or even contribute to these platforms

What's wrong with a company shaping society?

@Roovdwalt Jones has been banned off all platforms now.. What options does he have?

Again he is a cuckoo nutcase and I disagree with him on literally every single thing he says... but if he has not broken the law (not terms of service), then why should he be deplatformed

If people don't like it, then they can go elsewhere.

Gab?

https://gab.ai/

didnt they have their serverrs shut down by microsoft

in the wake of this

if they host jones

They are up again because they went to someone that would help them... free market

I think you might feel differently if you were deplatformed by FB, twitter etc...

and again, I am not saying free market sucks... just saying that some things are complicated

Like I said, keep things simple.

1. Is the company operating freely?
2. What state restrictions apply to the company?
3. Is competition hindrered?

There is always an alternative in my opinion.

its is only simple if you willfully choose to ignore the complications

It is complicated, you are right

It is only complicated if you willfully choose to ignore the simplicity.

but not impossible

Everything is about people. Once you understand human behaviour, it makes everything simpler.

I'd suggest reading some Hayek, Friedman, and Sowell.

If you argue that a company must be regulated by the state, then you must also explain how you arrived at the regulations and why you believe the state is the most efficient regulator. Based on, well, EVERYTHING, the state is a very inefficient regulator.

State and regulation shouldnt be in the same sentence

because again, is blue right or is green right... and I dont want the state to decide that

Example:

I smoke (I don't, actually). My wife doesn't want me to smoke. Which is more efficient:

1. She threatens not to have sex with me until I stop smoking.
2. The government increases sin tax on tobacoo.

Like I said - I dont have the answer, but I can say that the power to silence held by these companies is not healthy

you are blind if you dont see that

You're right. It IS unhealthy. I've never said otherwise.

@Jerm I agree with you on the tobacco.... although I will include the caveat that if smokers are shown to put more of a burden on state funded healthcare, then they should contribute more toward that healthcare

I agree it is not ideal, but it does open new avenues like Gab... The people will move when they cannot be heard and their followers will follow

State funded healthcare shouldn't exist. Here is an example of the government making things complicated.

@Roovdwalt That's how the market works, yes. Exactly.

If you want healthcare, then you choose to pay for it. It should be voluntary. Problem is that it isn't. NHI will be forced onto everybody and then people will choose to still pay for private healthcare after that. It's compounding the matter and not very efficient. It's like paying a tax on top of a tax.