Message from @Tom_Servo

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2018-08-16 11:12:25 UTC  

in this case a situation where free speech is regulated by corporations

2018-08-16 11:12:49 UTC  

dont get me wrong, still our best system by miles

2018-08-16 11:12:54 UTC  

My problem is that you cannot regulate "Bias", because we all have them, you like green I like blue, who decides which is right? If Facebook is left leaning, we cannot control that and we shouldn't be regulating them "to not be left leaning" what we should have is an honest mission from Facebook, describing their values and being open about it. If that is the case, people like Alex Jones knows the platform is not for them. Facebook should NOT be able to come after years of you being on the platform and say, sorry, we have changed and you are no longer welcome here.

2018-08-16 11:13:05 UTC  

Facebook has every right to censor him. It's not his platform.

2018-08-16 11:13:32 UTC  

so you are okay with censorship if it is corporate sponsored?

2018-08-16 11:13:33 UTC  

I think it's absurd to censor Alex Jones because it makes him more famous.

2018-08-16 11:14:01 UTC  

Well, a private company should be able to do what it likes, in that sense.

2018-08-16 11:14:10 UTC  

I don't like it.

2018-08-16 11:14:14 UTC  

But it is what it is.

2018-08-16 11:14:16 UTC  

this is one of those grey areas

2018-08-16 11:15:06 UTC  

a supremely successful company, that becomes a vital part of freedom of expression should not be bound by their own terms of service... should be bound by consitutional definitions of free speech

2018-08-16 11:15:23 UTC  

it is kind of anti free market

2018-08-16 11:15:28 UTC  

but it is pro free speech

2018-08-16 11:15:32 UTC  

grey area

2018-08-16 11:15:49 UTC  

and there are tons of these... but it seems political discourse is more about winning an argument than exploring a solution

2018-08-16 11:16:08 UTC  

Not every private company is "bad" why punish all with regulations that can cripple especially the small business.

2018-08-16 11:16:11 UTC  

My problem with the Alex Jones issue is that all these platform colluded to get him out, I have no problem with him being banned though, but the fact that it was some secret agreement between all these players who frankly should not be concerned about what other platforms are doing.

2018-08-16 11:16:24 UTC  

Okay, so then at what point does Facebook lose its policy right?

2018-08-16 11:17:11 UTC  

@Gonzo no company is good or bad... it is a machine. The market can attach a value to morality and in that sense the market is "good" or "Bad" .

But people are generally dense, that is why we dont write a constitution by referendum

2018-08-16 11:17:19 UTC  

@Roovdwalt That's exactly it. Mark is known to be a leftie and Obama buddy. He doesn't like anything "right wing". Google is in a similar position to him. They even fired a dude who said that women and men are different.

2018-08-16 11:17:52 UTC  

@Jerm Not saying I have the answer... but it is something I have been wrestling with, because I do not think it is simple

2018-08-16 11:18:41 UTC  

It IS simple. The government has made it complicated.

2018-08-16 11:18:45 UTC  

and I feel certain corporations are starting to have power beyond manufacturing and supplying goods. They are shaping society, and that is a problem

2018-08-16 11:18:59 UTC  

@Jerm how did govt make the FB / Jones issue complicated

2018-08-16 11:19:15 UTC  

The moment a company is in bed with the state, you no longer have capitalism / free market.

2018-08-16 11:20:47 UTC  

@Jerm not following how this relates to FB issue

2018-08-16 11:21:05 UTC  

@Tom_Servo I agree that they are shaping society. At the end of the day that doesnt matter, because we all as individuals have a choice to be on that platform or not. There are alternatives (Maybe not popular) but at the end of the day we have a choice to be on or even contribute to these platforms

2018-08-16 11:22:39 UTC  

What's wrong with a company shaping society?

2018-08-16 11:22:43 UTC  

@Roovdwalt Jones has been banned off all platforms now.. What options does he have?

Again he is a cuckoo nutcase and I disagree with him on literally every single thing he says... but if he has not broken the law (not terms of service), then why should he be deplatformed

2018-08-16 11:23:03 UTC  

If people don't like it, then they can go elsewhere.

2018-08-16 11:23:29 UTC  

Gab?

2018-08-16 11:23:44 UTC  
2018-08-16 11:23:46 UTC  

didnt they have their serverrs shut down by microsoft

2018-08-16 11:23:53 UTC  

in the wake of this

2018-08-16 11:24:02 UTC  

if they host jones

2018-08-16 11:24:17 UTC  

They are up again because they went to someone that would help them... free market

2018-08-16 11:25:20 UTC  

I think you might feel differently if you were deplatformed by FB, twitter etc...

2018-08-16 11:25:41 UTC  

and again, I am not saying free market sucks... just saying that some things are complicated

2018-08-16 11:25:44 UTC  

Like I said, keep things simple.

1. Is the company operating freely?
2. What state restrictions apply to the company?
3. Is competition hindrered?

2018-08-16 11:25:46 UTC  

There is always an alternative in my opinion.

2018-08-16 11:26:00 UTC  

its is only simple if you willfully choose to ignore the complications