Message from @Tom_Servo

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2018-08-16 11:03:42 UTC  

Monopolies can only exist when the state prvoides protection. Monopolies can't exist in a free market.

2018-08-16 11:04:34 UTC  

@Tom_Servo Private companies are regulated by the market and don't require state regulation.

2018-08-16 11:05:29 UTC  

@Jerm In the technological world that no longer holds true

2018-08-16 11:05:57 UTC  

huge amounts of capital investment have made it impossible to disrupt the existing "production" means

2018-08-16 11:05:58 UTC  

Give an example, @Tom_Servo

2018-08-16 11:06:05 UTC  

facebook

2018-08-16 11:06:13 UTC  

Facebook is protected by the state.

2018-08-16 11:06:21 UTC  

not here

2018-08-16 11:06:26 UTC  

Everywhere.

2018-08-16 11:06:49 UTC  

how

2018-08-16 11:07:09 UTC  

Let's go back a few steps, to keep clarity.

2018-08-16 11:07:32 UTC  

"huge amounts of capital investment have made it impossible to disrupt the existing "production" means"

Where did the huge amount of investments come from? And why did they happen?

2018-08-16 11:08:12 UTC  

IPO

2018-08-16 11:08:18 UTC  

free market

2018-08-16 11:09:41 UTC  

And why did they invest?

2018-08-16 11:09:53 UTC  

I havent polled every investor

2018-08-16 11:10:02 UTC  

but I assume they saw value in the company

2018-08-16 11:10:14 UTC  

The answer is because it looked like a good investment because it is a good product.

2018-08-16 11:10:21 UTC  

correct

2018-08-16 11:11:09 UTC  

So, now they get lots of investment and people go "no, we need to stop that because now they're too big".

No. Compete. Create a new product that will take it down.

2018-08-16 11:11:42 UTC  

so Alex Jones should do that?

2018-08-16 11:11:49 UTC  

is that a realistic comment?

2018-08-16 11:12:01 UTC  

this is the grey area I am talking about

2018-08-16 11:12:06 UTC  

Apple was almost bankrupt in the 90s. Microsoft had 93% of the computing market. Apple then found a new way into the market. Apple is now sniffing 1 trillion dollars in value.

2018-08-16 11:12:14 UTC  

free market can result in some unintended consequences

2018-08-16 11:12:25 UTC  

in this case a situation where free speech is regulated by corporations

2018-08-16 11:12:49 UTC  

dont get me wrong, still our best system by miles

2018-08-16 11:12:54 UTC  

My problem is that you cannot regulate "Bias", because we all have them, you like green I like blue, who decides which is right? If Facebook is left leaning, we cannot control that and we shouldn't be regulating them "to not be left leaning" what we should have is an honest mission from Facebook, describing their values and being open about it. If that is the case, people like Alex Jones knows the platform is not for them. Facebook should NOT be able to come after years of you being on the platform and say, sorry, we have changed and you are no longer welcome here.

2018-08-16 11:13:05 UTC  

Facebook has every right to censor him. It's not his platform.

2018-08-16 11:13:32 UTC  

so you are okay with censorship if it is corporate sponsored?

2018-08-16 11:13:33 UTC  

I think it's absurd to censor Alex Jones because it makes him more famous.

2018-08-16 11:14:01 UTC  

Well, a private company should be able to do what it likes, in that sense.

2018-08-16 11:14:10 UTC  

I don't like it.

2018-08-16 11:14:14 UTC  

But it is what it is.

2018-08-16 11:14:16 UTC  

this is one of those grey areas

2018-08-16 11:15:06 UTC  

a supremely successful company, that becomes a vital part of freedom of expression should not be bound by their own terms of service... should be bound by consitutional definitions of free speech

2018-08-16 11:15:23 UTC  

it is kind of anti free market

2018-08-16 11:15:28 UTC  

but it is pro free speech

2018-08-16 11:15:32 UTC  

grey area

2018-08-16 11:15:49 UTC  

and there are tons of these... but it seems political discourse is more about winning an argument than exploring a solution

2018-08-16 11:16:08 UTC  

Not every private company is "bad" why punish all with regulations that can cripple especially the small business.