Message from @Tom_Servo

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2018-08-16 11:41:38 UTC  

more like... you have 90% of all the guitars.... someone else has the other 10% but none of them can be tuned properly. You refuse to sell me one of your guitars because you dont like the music I will play

2018-08-16 11:42:11 UTC  

or we can skip analogies and look at the actual case I put forward

2018-08-16 11:42:17 UTC  

@Tom_Servo You only think about the big guns without thinking about the consequences for the start up. Strict regulations will make it much harder to to even start your business.

2018-08-16 11:42:20 UTC  

it is easy enough to understand without a metaphor

2018-08-16 11:42:28 UTC  

Facebook having the right to choose who gets kicked as opposed to being told who to kick are two very different political spectrums

2018-08-16 11:42:40 UTC  

FB got big because the market liked it. Now that it's very big, suddenly it can't have a say over its own behaviour?

2018-08-16 11:43:05 UTC  

@Gonzo This is a valid concern... and I am not dismissing it... as I said, I dont know what the solution is, but I think the solution lies outside of a pure free market solution

2018-08-16 11:44:21 UTC  

@Tom_Servo Never. Free market gave us everything we have now.

2018-08-16 11:44:56 UTC  

"pure"

2018-08-16 11:45:06 UTC  

I dont think we have had a "pure" free market anywhere

2018-08-16 11:45:16 UTC  

sometimes this has worked out well, and othertimes badly

2018-08-16 11:45:45 UTC  

but I think it is naive to believe that a pure free market can realistically exist. (a lovely ideal, but not realistic)

2018-08-16 11:46:38 UTC  

@Tom_Servo I dont think there is an example of a pure free market (Not on a big scale anyway)

2018-08-16 11:46:42 UTC  

Facebook funds political parties. The fact that the state allows this is what starts making things complicated. This obviously affects Facebook's political influence later on. And this is an example something simple being turned into something complicated.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/477183088141533209/479616995877453834/Screenshot_2018-08-16_at_13.44.56.jpg

2018-08-16 11:47:36 UTC  

@Jerm so facebook shouldnt have the freedom to have a political view

2018-08-16 11:47:39 UTC  

?

2018-08-16 11:47:58 UTC  

how dare you limit the market this way 😬

2018-08-16 11:48:16 UTC  

They should have the freedom to a political view, but I think they should then be outspoken about it

2018-08-16 11:48:28 UTC  

I am being faecitious

2018-08-16 11:48:33 UTC  

Well, Facebook is just a group of individuals, so obviously they have their own interests. They should fund out of their own, rather than on behalf of Facebook.

2018-08-16 11:48:55 UTC  

but if shareholders dont agree with how they spend money politically they could disinvest

2018-08-16 11:48:57 UTC  

or use gab

2018-08-16 11:49:18 UTC  

are you even slightly seeing my point here?

2018-08-16 11:49:31 UTC  

nothing exists in a vacuum

2018-08-16 11:49:42 UTC  

theory is just theory and reality is sometimes messier

2018-08-16 11:50:00 UTC  

doesnt mean we should throw the theory out though

2018-08-16 11:50:13 UTC  

I see your point, but it's not very strong. You're not happy with FB's size and want them to be more regulated by the state, but can't clarify exactly what your criteria is.

2018-08-16 11:50:16 UTC  

Again it comes down to choices and our little negotiations in our heads , do I use Facebook or Gab? Facebook gives me reach, but Gab gives me political freedom... We make these choices as individuals and most prefer reach to political freedom for some strange reason

2018-08-16 11:51:15 UTC  

@Jerm nope cathy newman... I am concerned about the power Facebook has over free speech and am not convinced that free market theory will address this adequately

2018-08-16 11:51:41 UTC  

@Tom_Servo FB only has influence over free speech on its own platform.

2018-08-16 11:51:49 UTC  

@Jerm sorry unneccessarily rude - being said with a smile on my face

2018-08-16 11:52:44 UTC  

Also, free speech does not exist.

2018-08-16 11:52:53 UTC  

That's the first problem with the arguments around free speech.

2018-08-16 11:52:58 UTC  

People need to define it.

2018-08-16 11:53:25 UTC  

You aren't allowed to speak smack about my fiance in my home. Therefore, your free speech is curtailed.

2018-08-16 11:53:39 UTC  

You can't shout "bomb!" in a place. No free speech there either.

2018-08-16 11:53:43 UTC  

plane*

2018-08-16 11:54:23 UTC  

A business newspaper won't publish my cartoons about sports. No free speech there either.

2018-08-16 11:54:57 UTC  

if a printer refused to print your newspaper despite your willingness to pay then this would be comparable

2018-08-16 11:55:12 UTC  

A printer doesn't have to print your newspaper.

2018-08-16 11:55:14 UTC  

your house is not vital to public discourse