because again, is blue right or is green right... and I dont want the state to decide that

Example:

I smoke (I don't, actually). My wife doesn't want me to smoke. Which is more efficient:

1. She threatens not to have sex with me until I stop smoking.
2. The government increases sin tax on tobacoo.

Like I said - I dont have the answer, but I can say that the power to silence held by these companies is not healthy

you are blind if you dont see that

You're right. It IS unhealthy. I've never said otherwise.

@Jerm I agree with you on the tobacco.... although I will include the caveat that if smokers are shown to put more of a burden on state funded healthcare, then they should contribute more toward that healthcare

I agree it is not ideal, but it does open new avenues like Gab... The people will move when they cannot be heard and their followers will follow

State funded healthcare shouldn't exist. Here is an example of the government making things complicated.

@Roovdwalt That's how the market works, yes. Exactly.

If you want healthcare, then you choose to pay for it. It should be voluntary. Problem is that it isn't. NHI will be forced onto everybody and then people will choose to still pay for private healthcare after that. It's compounding the matter and not very efficient. It's like paying a tax on top of a tax.

your arguments are really very similar to arguments I have with communists.... Communism presents the following problem. Yes, but this is not pure communism that problem wouldn't exist in pure communism.

if we can both agree that something is problematic, why can't we discuss all possibilities of addressing it

even if one of those thoughts might be in conflict with an existing belief?

I'm anything but a communist. I support individual freedom. That means I support your freedom to do as you please. There's nothing remotely close to communism there.

@Jerm you are missing my point

you defend the free market using the same logic that communists use to defend communism

I gave examples to highlight my point. I noted the problem with state healthcare, for example.

- in this particular case

Let me make it even simpler.

I dont know why we got to healthcare frankly... I am raising the issue of FB and free speech.

your argument is that FB is not really operating in a free market

so the problem wouldnt exist if we just did it right

I have a guitar. I want to sell it and somebody wants to buy it.

The trade can be as simple as that. But the state interferes in that trade by forcing itself into getting a cut of the sale. It then takes that cut to expand its own authority.

more like... you have 90% of all the guitars.... someone else has the other 10% but none of them can be tuned properly. You refuse to sell me one of your guitars because you dont like the music I will play

or we can skip analogies and look at the actual case I put forward

@Tom_Servo You only think about the big guns without thinking about the consequences for the start up. Strict regulations will make it much harder to to even start your business.

it is easy enough to understand without a metaphor

Facebook having the right to choose who gets kicked as opposed to being told who to kick are two very different political spectrums

FB got big because the market liked it. Now that it's very big, suddenly it can't have a say over its own behaviour?

@Gonzo This is a valid concern... and I am not dismissing it... as I said, I dont know what the solution is, but I think the solution lies outside of a pure free market solution

@Tom_Servo Never. Free market gave us everything we have now.

"pure"

I dont think we have had a "pure" free market anywhere

sometimes this has worked out well, and othertimes badly

but I think it is naive to believe that a pure free market can realistically exist. (a lovely ideal, but not realistic)

@Tom_Servo I dont think there is an example of a pure free market (Not on a big scale anyway)

Facebook funds political parties. The fact that the state allows this is what starts making things complicated. This obviously affects Facebook's political influence later on. And this is an example something simple being turned into something complicated.

@Jerm so facebook shouldnt have the freedom to have a political view

?

how dare you limit the market this way 😬

They should have the freedom to a political view, but I think they should then be outspoken about it