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@Gonzo Secession. But a nation state. It won't be had without conflict. And without the will to accept the inevitable conflict you will be stuck in a multiracial multicultural liberal democracy with a smaller landmass and a smaller budget. And that's if you can convince the (((DA))) to give you more self rule so that you can take power away from them. You're essentially just moving the shackle from the left foot to the right.
@Gonzo War is already here. Look at the bodycount.
War would be inevitable, would be easier to collectively defend a border, than individually defend our properties.
@Sheamus That's the only weakness the cape secessionist movement has. It has the will and common sense to secede but no means to enforce the secession.
You don't start a war, the war is started opposing you. No where are the boere asking to start a war, it's EFF and BLF who are the ones saying land must be taken by force. They are the ones that will start the war.
@Gonzo It wouldn't be wise to explain here. But suffice to say that I and my associates have heard your exact plan before at a volkraad meeting and it is the most practical solution in terms of avoiding conflict. I'm not against it, but it is at best delaying the inevitable. This is by no means a new idea and has been considered years ago.
@Gonzo I didn't say there wasn't a solution in place.
Best plan i can figure is to resolve our issues that divide us. Get all the wealthy business owners to arrange for homes and work in the cape for all of us as a community, that would mean sharing wealth for a greater good. If there are homes (property) and work that side, the trek will begin, and people will have property and economical value to defend. Once there, get armed, I'm sure arms will be provided to us, we have loyalties internationally. Then defend our border until agreement and cease fire is announced and our secession is recognized legally and officially. Then do away with democracy, and return the rule of law. That's just off the top of my head cutting out the bullshit and getting it done.
@Gonzo I hear you man. I hear you loud and clear. It's going to get really bad before it gets better.
Lol it's not a solution, or a cure.. It's a simple band aid.
@Gonzo I hear you and I won't stop you. Hell I'll even throw in my vote to help you. But in the long run...same effect.
@Gonzo Check out front nasionaal. There are plenty of cape secessionist movements.
Everyone is talking but i hear no actual plan.
It's just one idea, and a shady one at that. Shady ideas have a tendency to flop, because people aren't motivated by deception nearly as much as they are by the truth.
@Gonzo Like I said, there are solutions in place but nothing that can be discussed here. And it concerns the boers and our end goal. It doesn't include other peoples.
@Gonzo But like I said I will not stop you. I'll help you even.
Agreed, we need to get together, we need a new trek, totally agree with that. People won't abandon their own property and income to go somewhere where they own no property and have no work though. Nothing to defend.
@Gonzo I hear you. Loud and clear.
The thing is will it be a long term solution? Considering resources.
@Gonzo we're not doing nothing, we're just looking out for the boer's concerns which are long term and the same as it was before. But if the afrikaners want to secede to the cape, I will not stop you at all.
The people concerned about saving their own skin are buggering off abroad. Its really only those who can't, and who have something of worth here to defend that remain. Unfortunately, most would not just pack up and leave to the cape without having anything there, they would rather stay put and take their chances defending their property and their work. This is how divided we are. So unless i have a reason other than saving my own skin to leave my property and work behind to go to the cape, I'm going to stay and take my own chances, and I'm not the only one that feels this way. So unless the wealthy over there can say there is property and work for me that side to defend which would justify me leaving behind what i have here in kzn, i have no valid reason to trek. As far as the DA goes, they are betraying me, and playing the same game the ANC is playing, to remain loyal to the majority voting for them, they would prefer i don't have any chance that side, just like the ANC that is attempting to flood the cape with more blacks with no values and oppose ideas of free market and property ownership. So I'm not convinced the DA has my best interest in mind when they actively support BEE and play the white privilege card. I'll go defend property and the right to rule of law in a heart beat. Not going to be take my chances with shady strategies that sound very risky. I don't trust anyone that sells out their values.
@Gonzo do we have 10-20 years? Do you think the way things are going now are sustainable?
There are always risks in change.
How do you garuntee new jobs for all the people who move to the province. Homes.
And Some are so depended on their current areas they live in.
Buisness owners in Johannesburg or Pretoria?
And if the Cape hits another drought why would the other provinces suport the WC
@Gonzo Bet those yes voters are shitting themselves now ey...
What will it take for the province to become its own country so to say?
The DA is playing the same game, and in a democracy they are subject to the demand of the people, the majority of the people that is. And if they don't give in the to demands of the people, there will be that whole told you so attitude floating around. So 1 term maybe, 5 years is probably going to be the most time you can buy. The majority are demanding for things NOW, so if the DA can't deliver what the ANC promise NOW, they won't have a second term, in fact i wouldn't be surprised if there is an attempt to get them out sooner. I just don't see it realistically happening. I get where you coming from, i get that the theory has some sense to it, but if there is one thing I've observed, it is that the ruling majority do not think or behave like us, they have a very different culture and value system, a different perception of reality, and it is them who hold the majority vote.
There might be a slight possibility that the ANC will prevent this project from happening
Ditsem! @GhostRanger, you just advanced to level 1!
I see. I agree with you, the concept makes sense why it would work.
Anyhoo peeps. It seems that the goals of the boervolk and those of the rest differ in the long term. All I can say is that there have been guards on the wall for many generations. Nobody listened in 1910. Nobody listened in 1992. You're not listening now. I wish you all the best of luck and may you and your families be protected. YHWH bless and keep you. Auf wiedersehen
You know, if the DA was not playing identity politics and throwing around false accusations like white privilege, and opened up to BEE coming to an end, your idea would be worth embracing. Those factors created and maintain inequity, and the gap in the inequity only grows larger, and trust diminishes. I can't support those values and believe that somehow, this will work out in our favor, the minority. Good luck though, can hope you are right about it and maybe you convince others, but i maintain my values and loyalty to bringing back and maintaining equity faithfully, the only true way. Cheers.
Theoretically this is the best bet at the moment.
I dont think the society we live in will put the past behind anytime soon. Untill we start working together and see the benefits it will have
@Gonzo i honestly don't see the point trusting the wolf in sheeps clothing. The devil is deceptive, and giving any credibility to the devil, to trust the devil is a death sentence. There are so many ways this can go wrong, if you are wrong. I put my faith in God instead and the rule of law. You won't get the rule of law through a democracy, the whole point of a democracy is to avoid the rule of law that is above us lowly men. I don't trust the DA, even if the leader claims to be Christian, i don't see a Christian supporting inequity in any shape or form, inequity that corrupts the heart clearly is described by Lucifers fall. I'm all for trekking, getting together with other believers that do away with the rule of men, faithfully. Only way to do that is to stop playing this game. Go there, and stand our ground, and demand our right to live under the rule of God, not man. Then I'm game for it, it's honest, it's straight forward, and anyone that opposes us will Clearly reveal their loyalties, and good and evil can be clearly distinguished, because only the evil will be the ones that deny us the right. I don't want to mess with the complexities and mental gymnastics of the liberal bullshitters. So I'm sorry, i have my values and my loyalties, which i will not sell short out of desperation. I would rather prepare and defend myself here at home staying loyal.
shiver gona ban you all for spamming local-news :D
I'm enjoying it, though.
\**** the DA 🙂