Lol what is the argument there exactly?

@Sheamus well the "truth" of your statement rests on the notion that race is only skin deep which is obviously false. The notion that the ideas, values and culture of a people are more important than the physical genetic existence of that people that embody and created said values ideas culture is just....fuck.

@$P!KY\/!k!NG To put it as simply as I can put it would be to say that the corn flakes are more valuable than the continued ability to grow corn.

@$P!KY\/!k!NG lol my truth rests on reality. If I hypothetically wanted to procreate with an actual animal, it's impossible to do naturally, and if forced genetically, the reproductive system is then disabled for the offspring. To me that is a clear sign of my creators disapproval. Same goes with inbreeding, penalties are incurred. Fact is, different races of human beings can reproduce naturally without being forced through genetic modifications to work, and even by natural procreation, there is no penalty to prohibit further procreation. Therefore as per the creators command to be fruitful and multiply, i see no problem here, and this is fact and reality. Your propaganda doesn't say much to prove much.

Again, i have no problem with your preference and selfish desire, because even myself have the very same selfish desire to have my children look like me, this is very understandable, and obviously you would use whatever biased information/propaganda to justify your selfish desire. However, you serve only your selfish desire, and not a will greater than your own selfish desire. So long as you don't push your propaganda as God's will, or try use Christian literature to justify your propaganda, i really don't care about your personal selfish desires.

@Sheamus Deut 23:3 answer that.

@Gonzo South Africa

Eastern Cape

@$P!KY\/!k!NG already have in previous argument, just because you don't accept the response, does not mean i have not answered it. Again, we have different values, different understanding, and our loyalties serve different rulers.

@Sheamus You didn't have a scriptural response.

I asked for two witnesses as scripture dictates. I gave you multiple witnesses throughout the scripture. You gave me some spiritual mongrel nonsense that doesn't exist in scripture and then gave me two verses by paul. Only one witness.

One witness taken out of context I might add.

Anyone interes in seeing the slaughter can scroll up to the top of the theology thread.

@Gonzo I don't vote. I wait.

@$P!KY\/!k!NG actually i did, but your reaction to it was a questionable witness, so you wrote it off.. I'm not going to rehearse this again, as I've said, i know where your loyalties lie, i know who you really serve, there is no other point to make here, you openly betrayed the greatest commandment proudly, and the second great commandment. So I'm content leaving this argument as resolved. You want to serve two different masters, i trust you understand the implication there of.

@Gonzo Secession. But a nation state. It won't be had without conflict. And without the will to accept the inevitable conflict you will be stuck in a multiracial multicultural liberal democracy with a smaller landmass and a smaller budget. And that's if you can convince the (((DA))) to give you more self rule so that you can take power away from them. You're essentially just moving the shackle from the left foot to the right.

@Gonzo War is already here. Look at the bodycount.

War would be inevitable, would be easier to collectively defend a border, than individually defend our properties.

@Sheamus That's the only weakness the cape secessionist movement has. It has the will and common sense to secede but no means to enforce the secession.

You don't start a war, the war is started opposing you. No where are the boere asking to start a war, it's EFF and BLF who are the ones saying land must be taken by force. They are the ones that will start the war.

@Gonzo It wouldn't be wise to explain here. But suffice to say that I and my associates have heard your exact plan before at a volkraad meeting and it is the most practical solution in terms of avoiding conflict. I'm not against it, but it is at best delaying the inevitable. This is by no means a new idea and has been considered years ago.

@Gonzo I didn't say there wasn't a solution in place.

Best plan i can figure is to resolve our issues that divide us. Get all the wealthy business owners to arrange for homes and work in the cape for all of us as a community, that would mean sharing wealth for a greater good. If there are homes (property) and work that side, the trek will begin, and people will have property and economical value to defend. Once there, get armed, I'm sure arms will be provided to us, we have loyalties internationally. Then defend our border until agreement and cease fire is announced and our secession is recognized legally and officially. Then do away with democracy, and return the rule of law. That's just off the top of my head cutting out the bullshit and getting it done.

@Gonzo I hear you man. I hear you loud and clear. It's going to get really bad before it gets better.

Lol it's not a solution, or a cure.. It's a simple band aid.

@Gonzo I hear you and I won't stop you. Hell I'll even throw in my vote to help you. But in the long run...same effect.

@Gonzo Check out front nasionaal. There are plenty of cape secessionist movements.

Everyone is talking but i hear no actual plan.

Ditsem! @Gonzo, you just advanced to level 9!

It's just one idea, and a shady one at that. Shady ideas have a tendency to flop, because people aren't motivated by deception nearly as much as they are by the truth.

@Gonzo Like I said, there are solutions in place but nothing that can be discussed here. And it concerns the boers and our end goal. It doesn't include other peoples.

@Gonzo But like I said I will not stop you. I'll help you even.

Agreed, we need to get together, we need a new trek, totally agree with that. People won't abandon their own property and income to go somewhere where they own no property and have no work though. Nothing to defend.

@Gonzo I hear you. Loud and clear.

The thing is will it be a long term solution? Considering resources.

@Gonzo we're not doing nothing, we're just looking out for the boer's concerns which are long term and the same as it was before. But if the afrikaners want to secede to the cape, I will not stop you at all.

The people concerned about saving their own skin are buggering off abroad. Its really only those who can't, and who have something of worth here to defend that remain. Unfortunately, most would not just pack up and leave to the cape without having anything there, they would rather stay put and take their chances defending their property and their work. This is how divided we are. So unless i have a reason other than saving my own skin to leave my property and work behind to go to the cape, I'm going to stay and take my own chances, and I'm not the only one that feels this way. So unless the wealthy over there can say there is property and work for me that side to defend which would justify me leaving behind what i have here in kzn, i have no valid reason to trek. As far as the DA goes, they are betraying me, and playing the same game the ANC is playing, to remain loyal to the majority voting for them, they would prefer i don't have any chance that side, just like the ANC that is attempting to flood the cape with more blacks with no values and oppose ideas of free market and property ownership. So I'm not convinced the DA has my best interest in mind when they actively support BEE and play the white privilege card. I'll go defend property and the right to rule of law in a heart beat. Not going to be take my chances with shady strategies that sound very risky. I don't trust anyone that sells out their values.

@Gonzo do we have 10-20 years? Do you think the way things are going now are sustainable?

There are always risks in change.

How do you garuntee new jobs for all the people who move to the province. Homes.
And Some are so depended on their current areas they live in.
Buisness owners in Johannesburg or Pretoria?

And if the Cape hits another drought why would the other provinces suport the WC

@Gonzo Bet those yes voters are shitting themselves now ey...

What will it take for the province to become its own country so to say?