Message from @Sheamus
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@Gonzo, I agree that the DA governs better than the ANC, but that is not a big feat, as the ANC has very low standards. I also understand the necessity of keeping the ANC out, but a vote for the DA for myself and many others would be to sell out our values. The DA support many despicable policies, and I just can't vote for those things
@Gonzo, al wen die DA die verkiesing in 2024, is daar die baie werklike moontlikheid dat hulle net soos die ANC tewerk sal gaan. Gaan kyk maar gerus hoe die DA hulle waardes begin verander het oor die laaste paar jaar. Hulle ondersteun ook Afffirmative Action, en praat ook nou al van White Privilege ens. Op die ou einde sal hulle enigiets doen om die swart stem te kry, en wat hulle op die oomblik doen is om te verander in 'n ANC lite.
@Gonzo ekt nog altyd die indruk gehad dat boere nie regtig polities savvy is nie - hulle is meer soos mense wat dink aan ingeneurs tipe probleme en oplossings - maar ek dink die nuwe generasie kan dinge verander, dit is net belangrik om kultuur op te bou en jongmense sterk te maak
Dan kan hulle politieke probleme aanvat
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Oe la la. Dit is super vinnig om 'n DA ondersteuner te "trigger". 😅
Dit was nog altyd maklik om linkses te trigger @Klipkop (Clip-Cop)
Wil nie my waardes onder die bus gooi nie.. Ek bly weg van DA af
Wait for it..... ons gaan nou weer 'n hele boekdeel kry hoekom ons geen ander keuse het as om DA te stem nie....
@Gonzo ek het so verneem, ek spot maar net so bietjie. Maar jy kannie stry dat die DA links is nie
Die ANC is net verder links
En die EFF nog verder
Daai is meer kans vat aa wat dit 'n oplossing is
My oplossing is om kleiner partye groter te maak wat actually veg vir minderheids regte. Heel eenvoudig.
Dis die probleem met Suid Afrika. Suid Afrikaners is bereid om teen hulle beginsels te stem, net omdat hulle glo dis die enigste oplossing teen die ANC. In ander lande kry mens dit nie
Jip, geloof is laag...
Kom voice toe
Ja ons het n demokrasie, so jy will n demokrasie wat die swart meerderheid verkies uitruil vir nog demokrasie wat nou ook die swart meerderheid verkies? Kan ons tog 'n beter plan he as dit, om weg te kom van 'n demokrasie af, sodat almal gelyk kan wees, maak nie saak wat die meerderheid voel nie?
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@Sheamus Ek sal se dit is juis die skelm rond voeter om terug te kry wat die probleem is. Hoekom kan ons nie net reguit na die eindpunt toe gaan nie en net ons waardes behou? Is ons waardes so vikeerd dat ons eintlik onderhand moet speel en rond voeter met risks? Dit voel rerig skelm as ek nou rerig eerlik is met jou. Probeer jou nie sleg se nie, net ek dink klink soos 'n kak plan. En COPE is 'n mors van tyd in my opinie, lekota is 'n kommie.
For all those who think the DA is the solution to SA's problems ☝
@Gonzo I fully agree with you that Afrikaners should not be running away. Our place is on the Southern tip of Africa, and always has been. I just think that party politics are not the solution to the problems we face. I agree with you that the DA govern better than the ANC ever could, but in the end, their policies are just as discriminatory as the ANC's policies. If only Afrikaners could for once stand together and make a plan for our future, that would be a major step in the right direction. I still believe the best solution would be secession and our own Volkstaat, but we need to pull together in order to accomplish something like that. A referendum would then be needed, and we would need to decide on which area would be suitable for something like that. However, I think most Afrikaners are too comfortable with their current circumstances, and wouldn't want to move to another territory and leave everything behind (which is understandable). It is a complex situation.
I agree that would be a good start, but even if the Western Cape consists out of 80% Afrikaners, we would still be under the socialist policies of the government of South Africa. The ultimate solution has to be a separate Afrikaner state.
Yes true, but my point is, even if we elect our own political party to govern the province, we would still be required to operate within the South African constitution, and we would also still be forced to apply the socialist policies of the South African government.
We would still be paying tax for NHI for instance
But we would still be paying social taxes for others. The government would still have the capacity to redistribute portions of our taxes to other people. And if the constitution were to be changed to allow for Land expropriation without compensation for instance, we would still be affected, because we would still be part of South Africa. The only way to sidestep all of these issues, is to secede from South Africa, and form our own Volkstaat
Pretty sure people will go to the cape almost without hesitation, if there is property for homes they actually can afford and work for them to do. Voting DA, that is in full support of BEE, and looking to appeal to the black majority through identity politics, is not going to make that happen. The idea to gather us there in the Cape is a good idea, but to get everyone to vote DA is not. Majority want to punish them for pushing identity politics and wanting to defend BEE, to let them know we don't like to get played. Take a moment to reflect on the idiots that complain about the ANC, but keep voting ANC. Why are we to be like them? Should we not lead by example and actually stop supporting the fruitful works of evil? After all, real leadership is what is lacking.
@Gonzo fair enough, but weren't you pushing to vote DA last night, or have you given up on that argument now?
I see the DA vote as stability for a while,not an end solution. Stopping corruption and having services delivered to people is a start,and the DA is doing that in WC, and in parts in the EC,so they at least do their work.
Newer small parties can be formed lol, dude, what makes you think the DA, once in power will not use the same scare tactics the ANC is using? We see the ANC telling masses vote ANC or the boere will take over again. If the DA is starting to play the same game as the ANC, don't you expect to see the DA saying vote DA or the ANC takes over again? They are playing the same game... Small parties afterwards mean nothing. The DA is literally sugarcoating the actual problem here. As for COPE, yeah what lekota says really sounds good, especially if you are a boer, but he openly acknowledges he is still ANC. A good tree produces good fruit, a corrupt tree produces corrupt fruit. A good tree cannot produce corrupt fruit and neither can a corrupt tree produce good fruit. If lekota is loyal to ANC, and the ANC is measured by its fruitful works, then it's obvious what COPE is. As for VF, I'll have to look more into it, i haven't really looked much into them, but i don't have an opinion on them at the moment. But i still have a problem with your method of reasoning, to support the fruitful works of evil for your own selfish desires. Just don't, focus your strategy towards getting everyone in the cape, then we can say stuff you and your shitty politics, we will do our own thing, and then we can get out of this Democratic rule and bring back the rule of law that is above the rule of lowly man. This methodical scheming and deception you suggest is only giving more power and legitimacy to the problem, which doesn't allow us to solve the root cause, and instead forces us to treat the symptoms.
@TruthCanary that picture is perfect by the way lol 👌
I'm not going to tell you who to vote for, only a politician will do that, and I'm no politician. But i am trying to reason with you, so that you can be more reasonable about your choices. You value your vote in a democracy, that value is your investment in a democracy, and like any business, investment drives the growth and legitimacy of that business. Politics is business as usual, dont forget that. Vote with your wallet people will say, and if all your options are not worth your money, don't waste your money. Save it, and then invest in something else.
The DA does really good with their maintenance and governance, i get that's why you would prefer them, but it's in their best interest to make you dependent on them, but why depend on them, why depend on politics even. We have a rule of law that makes us all equal given to us by our creator, and politics really only is a means to wiggle our way out of that rule of law, to justify inequality, by feeding on our prejudices and making us dependent on our overlords to defend us from righteous judgement. Why be dependent, why not be independent? Why not steer away from the distraction of politics and the dependency of a government, and look toward independence from a government?
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The idea that we ought to come together in the Cape is a great idea me thinks, we can just not play the political game and not invest in it, and say we want out of that political game and return to a rule of law that is intended to keep the unrighteous out, and away, and that vote can be better invested in our community and what we ought to prioritize. That's how i see it personally. We should be independent from a government, hence whatever government we do put together will be limited and small, and will face the judgement of the people if they so decide to pave a way to hell with their good intentions to make us dependent on them.
My last words on this topic is this. The road to the hell is paved with good intentions. I don't think you are a bad person, i think you mean well, obviously. But you are helping to pave the way forward to hell, and i just want you to see it for what it is, to understand what that means when i say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Give it some thought, look at this globalist democratic agenda, listen to the the shit they say, you can't deny they mean well, but you can see the results there of is bringing the world closer to hell... Just recognize the truth, and be reasonable about it.
We are not as independent as you may think we are, we may support the means and ideas of independence, but in fact we are very divided preventing us from actually being independent, and the division now makes us dependent on our saviour the DA, that will unite different perceptions and beliefs, and promise to bring peace... There is a principle that already dictates the way this unfolds... Orania is independent, we who are not in Orania or our own version of paradise, we are not independent. Hence why i say, good idea to come together. Orania didn't come into existence by playing shady political games, they recognised the truth, came together and made a plan, and acted out accordingly. We can do the same thing, but this distraction of politics is just that, a distraction.
The DA support BEE... And they think we who are white are too privileged. Why would they support your idea, and if they do, what makes you think they will keep the majority vote?
Again, i do see where you are coming from, i really do... But they are the ANC lite only because they don't hold majority power, and if they get into power, they will become the ANC.