they are often materialistic in their spirituality, it is something outside to display for status(much like our SJWs)

I suppose that's why jesus was all about praying in secret

So... physical things from the material world can not exist in the spiritual world right? Because it's the opposite end of the scale. Therefore, the names and concept of things of the material can not logically exist there.

And intelligence is not the same as intellect.

I sound like such a bible basher 😆

That's why it is said that God loves everyone equally. Because God literally can not differentiate between people and things. By definition.

Not at all really to be honest, you aren't substituting a reason with an offence.

I think the vedic view is that there isn't a separation between sprit and thing, the spirit generates the thing from what I understand. but scientists have tried to pinpoint the thing, only to find smaller things ad infintum (eventually they will realise that they are willing smaller and smaller particles into existence)

nice

there is no thing until a consciousness gives it its thingness - a rock is not a rock until a conscience separates it from being 'ground' or 'mountain' or 'planet earth' or the entirety of reality

Yes, so we can agree then on the golden rule? Love thy neighbour as thy own self, or This is the sum of duty; do naught onto others what you would not have them do unto you.

beatrice.com/TAO.txt

The Tao Te Ching a modern interpretation of Lao Tzu perpetrated by Ron Hogan

lol

nice

That's the first non-fiction book I've read in 20 years. 2 Months ago I think.

@Sheamus I think the golden rule is true if you think about it for any amount of time, but what if there are other people with a different spiritual makeup that appear human ?

I've started doing audiobooks, highly recommended, less effort than reading and you can speed up speech to around the same speed as reading

Yes, i just need to confirm if we agree to it, so we can agree to measure one another argument by it. 🙂

also in light of 'journalism' nowadays and the propoganda in movies, books are still good

Yeah started listening to audio books too, actually wasn't to start finding some good quality sources.

Personally I'd rather get the right answer than pick a winner.

But lets do it.

Agreed, I'm so happy to know I'm not the only one to notice the propaganda.. It's shameless how open they are about it even.

Wait, what about a winner now? Everyone must be a winner if we agree on the golden rule, that's the point for me to suggest using that as a measure.

my friends annoy me the most, with their reasoning "but rob, you _can't_ say _that_"

You can't say that lol... Yet you said it and proved them wrong.. The ignorance lol

giving the other debater benefit of the boubt in a debate instead of picking at semantics is an example of why the golden rule just makes things smoother

Yes, but this isn't a debate, it's us reasoning together

Ok, you guys sound like seasoned debaters, so one of you please go first?

Doing the whole logos thing, the relationship of brotherhood

just noticing where the golden rule helps society. ebay by all acounts should have lasted a week, people pay, people run away with the money, but it didn't people trusted each other.

quite a few times I run into the idea that morality doesn't need a religious basis, or it does - what are your thoughts on that one?

Yeah agreed, golden rule is the only rule you need. Confucias had it nicely set for societal approach. Do not do to others what you would not like yourself. Then there will be no resentment against you, either in the family or in the state.

DeeJay you agree to the golden rule as the ideal way to define what's reasonable?

where does that put us with psychopaths?

and bipolar women (ducks)

Ah that's a discussion on solutions... We should maybe try get a room going for that where we can reason on solutions to our problems

@rob Get rid of sanctity.
People will understand the truth
and be happier.

Get rid of morality.
People will respect each other
and do what's right.

Get rid of value and profit.
People will not steal
if they do not desire.

If that's not possible, go to Plan B:
Be simple. Be real.
Do your work as best you can.
Don't think about what you get for it.
Stay focused. Get rid of all your crap.

~Lao Tzu

Lol traditional and a modern update to it

you see I think the verse here "Get rid of value and profit.
People will not steal
if they do not desire."