We are born into the material world right?

I don't understand it, I always think that after I die I'll get to go through a library of life videos and watch my life and I always think, that's why it's not supposed to be easy, and why it would be horrible to be a prince for example(you'd have to do so much more to have a video worth watching)

you want a story with challenge overcome

Anything you can quantify , or see, or touch. Even your children. EVERYTHING that exists outside of the conscious mind is a materialist attachment.

Well if you define the one, the other is defined naturally. So we can discuss either materialism or spirituality

although, now writing that I'm thinking what if it's a library of video games, and what if we're already there playing one now 💥

We love rugby? How can you love rugby if you can also love a woman? Therefore materialism is also everything we do.

Lol after chowing down on 🍄 i have likened it to a VR like experience honestly

so does that mean that other entities are all NPCs?

or does the materialist believe themselves to be some sort of determanistic machine

or am I just confused

Yes, well those that are emotional are, they are subject to nature's will, biology at work, part of the system, where is intellectuals, are the players with avatars to have an experience

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so the materialist believes that only they and a few others potentially are conscious

I've wondered that once or twice.....

Ever noticed how predictable the emotional heathens are? Like badly programmed AI

it's crazy

The problem today is @rob , everyone believes themselves to be somewhat spiritual, but no one can even define the word.

friends that I know are intelligent are brainwashed

Flat earth makes sense in a matrix lol, majority of games use that model of you've opened a map from an editor.

they are often materialistic in their spirituality, it is something outside to display for status(much like our SJWs)

I suppose that's why jesus was all about praying in secret

So... physical things from the material world can not exist in the spiritual world right? Because it's the opposite end of the scale. Therefore, the names and concept of things of the material can not logically exist there.

And intelligence is not the same as intellect.

I sound like such a bible basher 😆

That's why it is said that God loves everyone equally. Because God literally can not differentiate between people and things. By definition.

Not at all really to be honest, you aren't substituting a reason with an offence.

I think the vedic view is that there isn't a separation between sprit and thing, the spirit generates the thing from what I understand. but scientists have tried to pinpoint the thing, only to find smaller things ad infintum (eventually they will realise that they are willing smaller and smaller particles into existence)

nice

there is no thing until a consciousness gives it its thingness - a rock is not a rock until a conscience separates it from being 'ground' or 'mountain' or 'planet earth' or the entirety of reality

Yes, so we can agree then on the golden rule? Love thy neighbour as thy own self, or This is the sum of duty; do naught onto others what you would not have them do unto you.

beatrice.com/TAO.txt

The Tao Te Ching a modern interpretation of Lao Tzu perpetrated by Ron Hogan

lol

nice

That's the first non-fiction book I've read in 20 years. 2 Months ago I think.

@Sheamus I think the golden rule is true if you think about it for any amount of time, but what if there are other people with a different spiritual makeup that appear human ?

I've started doing audiobooks, highly recommended, less effort than reading and you can speed up speech to around the same speed as reading

Yes, i just need to confirm if we agree to it, so we can agree to measure one another argument by it. 🙂

also in light of 'journalism' nowadays and the propoganda in movies, books are still good

Yeah started listening to audio books too, actually wasn't to start finding some good quality sources.

Personally I'd rather get the right answer than pick a winner.