Message from @DrLoLCat

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2018-08-15 18:59:11 UTC  

@DrLoLCat maybe define the God you refer to? Lol.. And are willing to entertain idea without accepting it, and wait till the very end before casting judgment? If you can do those, shouldn't be a struggle getting you to open up to new perspectives, ideas and values.

2018-08-16 01:48:01 UTC  

@Sheamus the Christian God. the father of Jesus Christ. The one from the Bible. Did believe in that one for 22 years of my life. I'm open minded...I think. Just not sure whether I can ever accept having blind faith again. When Willem said that atheists are diminishing in percentage, I found that very interesting. At the very least I will have a better understanding why some (most?) here believe in it. And I def want to stay in Orania perhaps in the future. Guess I assumed that atheism or rather agnosticism was a default state for intellectuals / scientists. For me it's not something very personal. It's either true or not, and I'm either eventually gonna burn in hell for eternity or rot in the ground.

2018-08-16 07:41:47 UTC  

@DrLoLCat being reasonable is not a matter of blind faith though. And by definition i meant your understanding of God. Typically atheists refer to God as the old bearded fairy man in the sky, is that your definition of God as well?

2018-08-16 08:32:16 UTC  

@Sheamus No, my definition of God would be an almighty entity that created the universe.

2018-08-16 08:46:42 UTC  

@DrLoLCat still quite a bit vague, but at least it's not some material ideal. Lol

2018-08-16 09:29:25 UTC  

@Sheamus that's the best I got, honestly. What's your definition if I may ask?

2018-08-16 09:34:34 UTC  

@Sheamus and do you believe in human evolution?

2018-08-16 10:10:03 UTC  

@DrLoLCat if by evolution you mean we started off as fish that grew legs.. Then no. But there is merit to some aspects of the theory which I'm okay with. And my interpretation of creation is not a scientific statement.

2018-08-16 10:11:30 UTC  

Here's the best definition of God which man has ever come up with.
First, from the Westminster Confession of Faith:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/469490581899575297/479593034967678978/IMG_20180816_105744.jpg

2018-08-16 10:11:34 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/469490581899575297/479593055092211714/IMG_20180816_105837.jpg

2018-08-16 10:11:40 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/469490581899575297/479593076709654531/IMG_20180816_105905.jpg

2018-08-16 10:12:13 UTC  

And then from the Westminster Larger Catechism:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/469490581899575297/479593219512860672/IMG_20180816_110534.jpg

2018-08-16 10:12:17 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/469490581899575297/479593235656736799/IMG_20180816_110607.jpg

2018-08-16 10:12:22 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/469490581899575297/479593254724042757/IMG_20180816_110730.jpg

2018-08-16 10:12:24 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/469490581899575297/479593261879525386/IMG_20180816_110918.jpg

2018-08-16 10:12:53 UTC  
2018-08-16 10:13:49 UTC  

@Malcolm the Seceder thank you for all of that lol

2018-08-16 10:33:45 UTC  

Don't thank me. Thank the Westminster Divines

2018-08-16 11:03:03 UTC  

Okay, hectic.... thanks. I feel like there is some contradictions in there. Forgiving.....not clear the guilty..... terrible in His judgement.

2018-08-16 11:06:36 UTC  

Put Christ in the middle of it, then all the seeming contradictions are removed. He took upon Himself his people's sin and paid the penalty and so His righteousness is imputed to them.

2018-08-16 11:48:38 UTC  

I understand that applied to future sin and not only sin up to that point? Meaning @Malcolm the Seceder 's sin is also taken upon Christ Himself?

2018-08-16 11:53:26 UTC  

Christ's sacrifice for His people- the elect- applies to all sin they have ever committed: so when a sinner is converted at the age of 30 and has the righteousness of Christ imputed to him, his sins are forgiven: all the sins he had committed up to that point and all future sins. (Although he still has to ask forgiveness for future sins).

2018-08-16 11:53:51 UTC  

Christ's sacrifice also atoned for the sins of all His people who were on Earth before He came

2018-08-16 13:09:17 UTC  

@Malcolm the Seceder So then..... why do you believe it? In other words, why are you a Christian?

2018-08-16 13:38:39 UTC  

Why not believe in forgiveness... It's reasonable isn't it, someone acknowledges they do wrong, and then making every attempt to do right?

2018-08-16 13:40:14 UTC  

I mean, why do you believe in the Holy Trinity, why do you believe in the Bible?

2018-08-16 13:44:46 UTC  

Have you read it? I mean genuinely read it, casting your prejudices aside and not judging the words, but reasoning with the meaning behind it... It's pretty convincing when your feelings aren't dictating your reasons for rejecting it.

2018-08-16 13:49:47 UTC  

I have read it, but I'll probably have to give it another go now that I'm older.

2018-08-16 13:52:39 UTC  

Yes, it helps, and after you read it, would be worth reading it again with the knowledge of later parts again... It's a study, not just a good read.

2018-08-16 13:57:30 UTC  

A fresh attempt at Christianity sounds good, without the childhood indoctrination.

2018-08-16 13:57:56 UTC  

So basically the content of the Bible itself convinced you that it's real. I can roll with that

2018-08-16 13:58:32 UTC  

What do mean by "that it's real"?

2018-08-16 13:58:50 UTC  

That the Holy Trinity God exists

2018-08-16 13:58:57 UTC  

That Jesus died on a cross for your sins

2018-08-16 13:59:09 UTC  

That Jonah was swallowed by a whale (maybe?)

2018-08-16 13:59:12 UTC  

etc.

2018-08-16 14:02:06 UTC  

Personally, I have for a long time subscribed to the idea that we simply cannot determine how we came to be, as in, how the planets came to be, or how life came to be. And that we must accept that ignorance.

2018-08-16 14:14:05 UTC  

The whale did swallow Jonah right? It's not some figurative meaning story or sumthing right?

2018-08-16 14:22:16 UTC  

Lol, yeah... Don't judge words on their appearances, but observe the meanings and judge righteous judgement.

2018-08-16 14:38:31 UTC  

That sounds hard, I take things literally

2018-08-16 14:43:29 UTC  

Yes, materialism is tempting, distracting and deceptive, that's mother nature for you lol... Father God is reasonable and understanding. Find some balance between the material and the spiritual. It's not easy, but it does become easier as you make progress, each day becoming a better you, than you were the day before.