Message from rob in Willem Petzer Live Chat #theology


2018-07-20 13:24:14 UTC  

@Willem Petzer what do you think of this, Peter Hammond is apparently a kinist: https://www.reddit.com/r/Reformed/comments/89pi4a/kinism_as_heresy/

2018-07-20 13:33:34 UTC  

what is kinism?

2018-07-20 13:45:13 UTC  

The belief that Christians should only marry within their own tribal, ethnic group

2018-07-20 13:45:13 UTC  

Ditsem! @Malcolm the Seceder, you just advanced to level 6!

2018-07-20 13:46:08 UTC  

you guys up for a debate on this?

2018-07-20 13:46:35 UTC  

thanks for the elaboration @Malcolm the Seceder

2018-07-20 13:47:45 UTC  

Um, I think it's best to stick to one's own group but I wouldn't make a rule about it.

2018-07-20 13:48:10 UTC  

fair stance

2018-07-20 13:49:06 UTC  

I think group is more cultural than racial, and those thoughts are pretty default

2018-07-20 14:21:42 UTC  

What does the bible say about it?

2018-07-20 14:22:54 UTC  

Depends who you ask.

2018-07-20 14:23:17 UTC  

I think they use the commands to the Jews not to intermingle as their basis

2018-07-20 14:24:50 UTC  

as I said, it seems like a fair default position. but I always think that the reactionary racial thing is _also_ driven by neomarxists hell bent on dividing the enemy(christians).

2018-07-20 14:25:33 UTC  

ie let's break off some of the opposition into nazism (racial socialism)

2018-07-20 14:28:35 UTC  

Yeah. If someone of an ethnic minority is a true Christian I'm less concerned about intermarriage. But I wouldn't encourage it

2018-07-20 14:29:57 UTC  

well, you would if the person was charming and intelligent and hard working and rich and courting your daughter, surely (and a Christian)

2018-07-20 14:30:30 UTC  

and legit (ie has family and they are normal)

2018-07-20 14:30:32 UTC  

I mean generally

2018-07-20 14:30:35 UTC  

not a con man

2018-07-20 14:31:40 UTC  

I think in general encouraging anything for or against in the field of marriage for people unrelated to us is impinging on free will

2018-07-20 14:33:53 UTC  

Well I doing believe in free will per se

2018-07-20 14:36:03 UTC  

don't?

2018-07-20 14:39:01 UTC  

Nope. But as for marriage I would probably raise my children to value continuing their own people. But as I said an exception here or there doesn't concern me too much

2018-07-20 14:42:29 UTC  

I am not cool with multiculturism, i dont see the point of marrying different cultures... Not bothered by race though, I think naturally we go for what is familiar to us, however for some, the relate on different grounds. I think it is important to observe same values and ideas more importantly than appearances.

2018-07-20 14:43:38 UTC  

I think I don't believe in free will is an interesting topic for theology, I think a people is cultural, not racial African Americans aren't African I don't see any soapstone or giraffe carving happening in Chicago

2018-07-20 14:44:12 UTC  

I think I don't believe in free will is an interesting topic for theology, I think a people is cultural, not racial African Americans aren't African I don't see any soapstone or giraffe carving happening in Chicago

2018-07-20 14:44:33 UTC  

I would say no to marrying outwith the faith.

2018-07-20 15:18:15 UTC  

But if you breed out the genes that create the impulses that form behaviour which in tern forms the inteplay of behaviour between people which in turn form norms and habits and traditions...then you destroy the very genetic soil out of which a culture grows.

2018-07-20 15:20:02 UTC  

I'd say no marrying outside of your race. I can always convince a kinsman about my faith, but I can never make him/her white again.

2018-07-20 15:20:40 UTC  

I think culture shapes us biologically, not the other way around... What you imply is a source, I observe as a result

2018-07-20 15:23:39 UTC  

This is not a chicken or egg argument. Culture is the collective outward behavioural expression of a population group.

If what you are saying is true, why do non-whites consistently form the bulk of prison populations even when raised or assimilated in other cultures?

2018-07-20 15:25:19 UTC  

Abstractions don't create anything. People create abstractions.

2018-07-20 15:27:36 UTC  

Because they dont have the right set of ideas, they have never developed and progressed ideologically, hence they never progressed biologically or even technologically. Their inability to even feed themselves properly suffered them malnutrition, which biologically affected and regressed their biological development, like having a high IQ for example... doesnt mean they cant achieve it if they accept the right set of ideas.

2018-07-20 15:29:02 UTC  

Where do Ideas come from?

2018-07-20 15:29:02 UTC  

Ditsem! @$P!KY\/!k!NG, you just advanced to level 2!

2018-07-20 15:30:28 UTC  

They dont come from anywhere lol all ideas are repititions of older ideas, simply updated in a more modern context... Ideas are observed, not created. Ideas are ever present.

2018-07-20 15:33:49 UTC  

Peter Hammonds lack of use of the term Kinism, does not necessarily make him free from the doctrine of kinism. What do you make of this?

"I have discussed this matter with numerous pastors, theologians and authors throughout South Africa, in Europe and in America. Almost every one of them has agreed that the social and domestic consequences of interracial and inter-cultural marriages are disastrous. Most also agreed that they believed that such unions were unBiblical. However, only a few were willing to speak out openly against it, from the pulpit, or in counselling. There are a number of fine missions in Africa, experiencing Spiritual Revival, whose founders and directors have told me directly that they never have, and never will, marry people of different races, as they believe that to be sin.

I have many friends of all races. However, to marry across the colour line would be to me to betray my parents and all of our ancestors, and my children and future generations. Most importantly I believe it would be a betrayal to Almighty God, who has set the boundaries between nations."

https://www.frontline.org.za/index.php?option=com_content...

It seems to me that he identifies ethnicity and culture. These are two separate things.

2018-07-20 15:37:20 UTC  

Indeed, one is material the other spiritual... Some lean towards one and another some lean towards the other, while others are balanced between the two.

2018-07-20 15:41:54 UTC  

How can an idea be observed if it didn't originate from somewhere? ??

2018-07-20 15:43:18 UTC  

The bible is perfectly clear that interracial marriage is a sin and that mongrels are to be rejected and ejected from the volk.