Message from KoninginTanja in Willem Petzer Live Chat #theology

2018-07-24 19:41:01 UTC  

@$P!KY\/!k!NG I just finished watching Justin Peters

2018-07-24 19:42:57 UTC  

@$P!KY\/!k!NG The Nazis were not Christians. Occultism was rife in that movement. Positive Christianity is not Christianity: it was developed as an alternative to Biblical Christianity. One does not need to make up weird paganistic religions to want to promote one's own culture. That motivation is from Satan who seeks to draw us away from Christ.

2018-07-24 19:43:58 UTC  
2018-07-24 19:43:59 UTC  
2018-07-24 19:44:27 UTC  

hitler was an athiest isn't he like the poster child for vegetarian athiest?

2018-07-24 19:45:05 UTC  

Hitler was an Occultist

2018-07-24 19:45:09 UTC  

besides which, just because a bunch of nutters call themselves christians..... Lord's Resistance Army for example

2018-07-24 19:49:00 UTC  

Matthew 5
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Prove that Hitler turned the other cheek, or even better, explain the reasoning for this, because if you can, you would know that he had no leg to stand on to justify war.

2018-07-24 19:49:11 UTC  

Matthew 5
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Prove that Hitler loved his enemies, and that he blessed them, and did good to them, and prayed for them.

2018-07-24 19:49:33 UTC  

If Hitler was Christian, he would be following the way of Christ would he not?

2018-07-24 19:50:52 UTC  

@Malcolm the Seceder have you seen vids of Justin Peters?

2018-07-24 19:54:35 UTC  

@KoninginTanja I haven't no. Worth a look?

2018-07-24 19:57:15 UTC  
2018-07-24 19:59:13 UTC  

Why would a satanist spend hours doing this painting?

2018-07-24 20:01:07 UTC  

that's probably what pissed the bankers off

2018-07-24 20:02:28 UTC

2018-07-24 20:02:28 UTC  

Ditsem! @$P!KY\/!k!NG, you just advanced to level 5!

2018-07-24 20:02:44 UTC  

just to clarify I believe the ideologies were both created in the late 19th century to replace religion, hitler might well have gone off script

2018-07-24 20:04:07 UTC  

Hitler only said those things to get the German nation on his side

2018-07-24 20:04:21 UTC  

@$P!KY\/!k!NG I don't think he was a satanist, but he definitely lost his way and his ideology went out the window. I've seen it a million times in my own life, if I don't do something that is under God's umbrella, it starts to pour.

2018-07-24 20:04:21 UTC  

Classic politics

2018-07-24 20:05:18 UTC  

He was definitely an Occultist. He sent numerous expeditions to the east in search of mystical artifacts etc

2018-07-24 20:06:13 UTC

2018-07-24 20:06:59 UTC  

@$P!KY\/!k!NG but sorry for interrupting your conversation. I am really not in a position to say who's Christian and who is not.

2018-07-24 20:08:47 UTC

2018-07-24 20:12:22 UTC  

“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian
and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord
at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the
Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight
against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with
deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact
that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As
a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have
the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is
anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is
the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty
to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and
work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only
for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning
and see these men standing in their queues and look into their
pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very
devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two
thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people
are plundered and exposed.”

[Adolf Hitler, speech in Munich on April 12, 1922,

2018-07-24 20:12:31 UTC  

Positive Christianity was a movement within Nazi German ranks which mixed ideas of racial purity and Nazi ideology with a dash of Christianity. Hitler used the term in Article 24 of the 1920 Nazi Party Platform, stating: "the Party represents the standpoint of Positive Christianity". Even the Nazi Minister for Church Affairs explained that Positive Christianity was not dependent upon the Apostle's Creed, nor was it dependent on faith in Christ as the son of God, which Christianity relies heavily on, instead it was represented by the Nazis as "The Fuhrer is the herald of a new revelation". It's not what you think it is, just because he says so... I mean, lets reflect on the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea, do their claims align with their actions? If you want to be a PC (Positive Christian), then identify as one, no one is stopping you.

2018-07-24 20:14:23 UTC  

“Catholics and Protestants are fighting with one another… while the
enemy of Aryan humanity and all Christendom is laughing up his sleeve.”

[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.309]

2018-07-24 20:14:52 UTC  

“I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so”

[Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]

2018-07-24 20:15:19 UTC  

But the things people did in the name of Christianity ...😰 we don't need another Bloody Mary etc

2018-07-24 20:15:58 UTC  

Anyways, provided you with two parts from the Christian literature as per the words of Christ, which you can begin to refute. Hitler was not Christ, so using his words to justify Christianity is not going to be very helpful

2018-07-24 20:16:40 UTC  

“In nearly all the matters in which the Pan-German movement was
wanting, the attitude of the Christian Social Party was correct and

[Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 3]

2018-07-24 20:18:15 UTC  

“To them belong, not only the truly great statesmen, but all other
great reformers as well. Beside Frederick the Great stands Martin
Luther as well as Richard Wagner.”

[Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 8]

2018-07-24 20:19:21 UTC  

“But if out of smugness, or even cowardice, this battle is not fought
to its end, then take a look at the peoples five hundred years from
now. I think you will find but few images of God, unless you want to
profane the Almighty.”

[Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 10]

2018-07-24 20:21:12 UTC  

“The best characterization is provided by the product of this
religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world,
and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his
nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the
new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude
toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to
drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who
then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his
business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while
our present-day party Christians debase themselves to begging for
Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles
with atheistic Jewish parties– and this against their own nation.”

[Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 11]

2018-07-24 20:21:52 UTC  

“The greatness of Christianity did not lie in attempted negotiations
for compromise with any similar philosophical opinions in the ancient
world, but in its inexorable fanaticism in preaching and fighting for
its own doctrine.”

[Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 1 Chapter 12]

2018-07-24 20:22:15 UTC  

let's not worship humans

2018-07-24 20:22:30 UTC  

Yeah, agreed

2018-07-24 20:23:01 UTC  

“A folkish state must therefore begin by raising marriage from the
level of a continuous defilement of the race, and give it the
consecration of an institution which is called upon to produce images
of the Lord and not monstrosities halfway between man and ape.”

[Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 2]

2018-07-24 20:25:20 UTC  

“The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in
his own denomination, of making people stop just talking
superficially of God’s will, and actually fulfill God’s will, and not
let God’s word be desecrated. For God’s will gave men their form,
their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is
declaring war on the Lord’s creation, the divine will.”

[Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 10]