Message from Malcolm the Seceder in Willem Petzer Live Chat #theology


2018-07-28 11:38:25 UTC  

Ditsem! @Malcolm the Seceder, you just advanced to level 12!

2018-07-28 11:38:38 UTC  

@TruthCanary i actually received that on WhatsApp as well earlier the week. Also pretty much made the same point Daniel did. But this is a good example of how the literature now is abused to justify prejudices... I can relate to the left and right political struggle, so i can see the humor in it, and a part of me giggles about it, but i think it's really important to highlight the problematic nature of it as Daniel did.

2018-07-28 11:39:01 UTC  

Totally agree

2018-07-28 11:41:51 UTC  

As do IπŸ€”

2018-07-28 11:44:47 UTC  

Left right can be helpful in broad terms but the problem is the rigidity and the fake "debates" on msm where it's just talking heads shouting at each. Usually with way too much make up on

2018-07-28 11:49:42 UTC  

I find it more along the context really... There is right and wrong, and there's right and left. Problem with politics is that both left and right have right and wrong, but it complicates it, politics in general is very complicated, hence politically i find myself more centre, but then the political enablers call you a fence sitter. I'm not really politically motivated myself, but i do believe so right and wrong, and also believe the road to hell is paved with good intentions... Politics seem to hinge on good intentions, whether you are right or left.

2018-07-28 11:52:58 UTC  

But then there are good intentions and good intentions

2018-07-28 11:58:20 UTC  

Well the way you tell them apart is easy.. There are those who DO good, and those who INTEND to do good. Let me provide an example; Willem does what is good, and then Renaldo, he obviously means well. πŸ˜‰

2018-07-28 11:58:52 UTC  

@Sheamus 😝

2018-07-29 05:08:57 UTC  

So I have been toying with some Biblical concepts in my head....The Mark of the Beast, what is it? In the end, it was so simple. It is right there in the name. Firstly, let us define "The Beast". A beast is an animal right? So in my view, the usage of the word refers to all earthly animals - all the beasts of the earth. So now let us get to the mark itself. What is it exactly that makes a beast a beast? What "mark" does it have that makes it different from a human being? What separates humans from beasts? We are all made of flesh and blood, we all are born, we live and we die. But the one thing that us humans have that beasts do not, is a mind that is capable of critical thinking, reason and above all, Logic. Animals have (for the most part) a fight or flight response / mental capacity. Of course, some are a little more capable that others. In conclusion, a human being that has been "marked" does not have the ability to comprehend logic - which puts them on the same level as a beast. Flat Earth anyone? ~Namaste. πŸ™

2018-07-30 09:44:07 UTC  

@Deejay from Earth What separates humans from animals is that humans have souls and animals do not.

2018-07-30 09:57:48 UTC  

True that, no reason, no humanity, no soul... Just biological chemicals dictating behaviour and impulses to sin. That's how i see it.

2018-07-30 10:12:59 UTC  

As of late I'm not sure what a "soul" is I have to say. I'm not so sure any more - could we be mistaking our personality or Ego for our soul?

2018-07-30 10:22:10 UTC  

Well, sounds like a controversial opportunity to explore the definition, see what we all understand and maybe can agree on?

2018-07-30 10:27:32 UTC  

Soul is always linked to the afterlife from what I can tell.

2018-07-30 10:32:55 UTC  

But what is it within you, right now in this life?

2018-07-30 10:47:49 UTC  

The soul is the part of the person made in the image of God. The rational, moral, thinking part of the person. It is the immortal part that will live forever. It is given to the human being upon conception.

2018-07-30 10:48:08 UTC  

I think it is what we would say gives a human being his personhood.

2018-07-30 10:55:41 UTC  

My thoughts too, but where i am a little lost still is it individual to the person like we have individual souls, or us it individual as in we are receivers that tune into it, like radio tunes into a frequency... Im still trying to figure that one out, both have compelling arguments for and against. What's your take on it @Malcolm the Seceder

2018-07-30 11:06:50 UTC  

Each person has his own individual soul. So Westminster Confession of Faith Chapter 32.1: "The bodies of men after death return to dust, and see corruption(a); but their souls, (which neither die nor sleep,) having an immortal subsistence, immediately return to God who gave them(b)." The souls of the regenerate go to Heaven and the souls of the unregenerate go straight to Hell. On the last day the bodies of all persons will be raised and reunited with their souls and will either then spend eternity in Heaven or Hell.

2018-07-30 11:07:20 UTC  

(a) Genesis 3:19

2018-07-30 11:07:30 UTC  

(b) Luke 23:43

2018-07-30 11:39:17 UTC  

I follow you there, and here is another perspective of why i might be confused about it.

Genesis 2:7 - And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 - Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Deuteronomy 6:5 - And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Ezekiel 18:4 - Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

The soul is breathed into man, each soul a breath, a fragment perhaps? One God, one Truth, one Reason, which is all the same. So perhaps a hybrid of the two. I'm still working my way through understanding it all, but i do enjoy others perspectives and their convictions. Thanks for your input @Malcolm the Seceder

2018-07-30 11:49:42 UTC  

And maybe also to clarify, by individual, it was meant as seperate from the creator. Uniquely seperate. There is the father and then there is the soul, uniquely seperate. Something other than.

2018-07-30 11:53:43 UTC  

@Sheamus When we are told that God breathed into the nostrils of Adam and he became a living soul we're not meant to take that as God imparting a part of a whole to Adam. It's a symbolic statement. Each soul, as you say later, is a unique, separate entity.

2018-07-30 12:10:21 UTC  

Thank you bud, appreciate your input and trust your words, it's always my intention to understand it for myself whole heartedly without any doubt.

2018-07-30 13:11:01 UTC  

@Malcolm the Seceder I thank you for your input too. That's what I think separates us from religions like Hinduism and Buddhism, where they believe in Atman. Some sort of all encompassing soul that inhabits our bodies but is not individual.

2018-07-30 13:13:43 UTC  

@buzzlightyear Those "religions" are just darkness. There is power behind them to be sure, but it is a dark power. We gotta stay away from it. Have nothing to do with those things, right down to stuff like yoga: it's all poison.

2018-07-30 13:14:00 UTC  

So guys, another topicn I have been pondering lately: With all your knowledge and experiences, what do you think is the Bible's take on the subject of race and organisation of society (not salvation)?

2018-07-30 13:14:39 UTC  

@Malcolm the Seceder Yeah, I can sense the void that ultimately inhabits them.

2018-07-30 13:16:28 UTC  

Genesis 9:25-27?

2018-07-30 13:16:53 UTC  

That's the old view anywayπŸ‘ŒπŸ»

2018-07-30 13:20:47 UTC  

Oh I heard of assigning the races to these biblical expressions. Which race is which again?

2018-07-30 13:20:52 UTC  

As for race, I graduated in Chemistry and the more I learned, the more I came to regard it as scientific fact, albeit controversial. It used to be regarded as such until it was discardes by the end of WW2 with no scientific explanations given.

2018-07-30 13:27:15 UTC  

Lol race is a topic divided among the materialists and the spiritualists lol

2018-07-30 13:32:02 UTC  

@Sheamus that might be true. Personally, I perceive quantum mechanics as something that unifies these two.
As the experiments are of material nature but their behavior depends very much on an observer which can not be rationally explained. It is just assumed as something that is

2018-07-30 13:44:58 UTC  

@buzzlightyear Shem would be the Jews, Japheth would be the Gentiles and Ham would be the blacks

2018-07-30 13:45:32 UTC  

There are some variations depending on the Christian tradition. Though Ham always remains the blacks πŸ˜‚