Message from TruthCanary in Willem Petzer Live Chat #theology

2018-07-26 23:08:50 UTC  

Isn't this emphasis on the importance of high IQ and boasting in ones ethnicity carnally mindedness? I'd rather be holy than intelligent or Afrikaans. @Malcolm the Seceder

2018-07-26 23:09:44 UTC  

Who's emphasis?

2018-07-26 23:10:20 UTC  


2018-07-26 23:12:30 UTC  

I think the whole high/low IQ thing is to point out that there are these differences between the races and to ignore these indeed to act as if they don't exist is detrimental to all involved

2018-07-26 23:13:07 UTC  

And to remind people what we're actually dealing with with black Africans

2018-07-26 23:13:37 UTC  

But you are right that godliness is absolutely paramount and at the end of the day it's one's relationship with Christ that matters

2018-07-26 23:27:46 UTC  

Isn't it unproductive generalizing about IQ when talking about ethnic groups in the context of political discussions? What's the end game here? I suppose some could interpret you proposing that European's are smarter and therefore should be in government. How's that suppose to help us in this situation?

2018-07-26 23:48:30 UTC  

Well I think the differences are real and it affects things like affirmative action policies

2018-07-26 23:48:55 UTC  

I think in the SA context the point is that it's the whites' country

2018-07-27 00:18:21 UTC  

Ernst Roets seems to want to avoid IQ in political discussions. See his interview with Willem. @Willem Petzer I am trying to understand your reasoning behind your use of IQ.

2018-07-27 00:20:23 UTC  

Ernst is right to do that. Too much of a hot potato. Would just be a distraction from what he's trying to do

2018-07-27 00:24:02 UTC  

How is what he is trying to do different to what Willem is?

2018-07-27 00:28:25 UTC  

Ernst has a more narrowly focused agenda: to first and foremost raise awareness of the persecution of the whites and then how the whites might move forward. I think.
Willem is interested in lots of different things ranging from the same stuff as Ernst to promoting Afrikaner culture generally to educating on history

2018-07-27 10:14:18 UTC  

I think the IQ thing may well be true, but as someone that always sat in class with the brightest at school, there were representatives of all races at the top. It's an easy trap to fall into if you are young and intelligent to think that intelligence is the only trait that counts, years of life have taught me that you can change the world without a particularly high IQ and there are many more things to consider. IQ is just useful because it is easy to test for and the tests are consistent (they basically measure performance of working memory and abstraction)

2018-07-27 10:21:09 UTC  

Agreed. IQ is not what defines a man's worth. It's more in terms of current politics. IQ does have an impact in running a country especially when, you know, the vast majority of those in charge are low IQ.

2018-07-27 11:50:41 UTC  

As far as IQ goes, i personally find it relevant in the context of our material make up, which would be profession. I reckon we ought to make IQ tests mandatory in key positions like management for example, positions with high responsibility and accountability are required, and also vital positions that cannot afford incompetence.

Outside of above mentioned context, it is mostly irrelevant.

That said though, it's in everyone's best interest to take IQ seriously with efforts to improve the environments that cultivate and develop those who are negatively impacted. We know there are lifestyle factors such as diet and malnutrition that impact IQ, and can only take necessary actions to address these things if it can be acknowledged openly and honestly.

I don't think it is the topic that is the problem, but the approach. It is rather used a degrading argument, as opposed to a concern. We need to approach it correctly.

2018-07-28 03:08:40 UTC

2018-07-28 03:09:05 UTC  

President Trump is on the right side

2018-07-28 10:57:08 UTC  

Even the Bible says the left are fools 😂

2018-07-28 10:57:13 UTC  

Ecclesiastes 10:2

2018-07-28 11:16:39 UTC  


2018-07-28 11:29:08 UTC  

' "The left vs. right paradigm is one of the most destructive forces I have witnessed in my lifetime. It is a nearly fail-proof impediment to either side ever progressing in their understanding of right vs wrong, because all they can ever see/hear is “your guy did it too” or “the other side is hypocritical/ has a re-election agenda”, etc. Any appeal to reason, morality, or principles derived from natural law is met with the retort of “that’s just what the left/right wants you to think”.

Refusing to look through the distorting prism of either left or right can free you from debates/concerns which are not germane to your calling and can provide 100x more mental/spiritual clarity for those issues which are.

I am convinced that one of the most effective self-improvement steps that an individual can make is to free themselves from this political paradigm. Remove yourself from the toxic echo chambers of media that exploit this left vs right dynamic. Only then can you begin to seek out or develop a moral philosophy and evaluate various issues in its light."
Mason Drake

I think George Washington was on to something when he warned of the dangers of political parties. '

2018-07-28 11:31:41 UTC  

@Daniel van Straaten I actually agree with that statement. The left vs right paradigm is a classic divide and conquer tactic employed by the ruling elites to keep us distracted from what's really going on behind governments. I was just having a little fun with that Bible verse 😃

2018-07-28 11:35:44 UTC  

@TruthCanary @Daniel van Straaten That's why things like the alternative media and IDW are such a threat to the msm. Alternative media is trying to break through this old left right model.

2018-07-28 11:37:00 UTC  

Yes that is true, but there are also those "alternative" media that actually push the left vs right paradigm, such as Alex Jones

2018-07-28 11:38:25 UTC  

Yeah he does

2018-07-28 11:38:25 UTC  

Ditsem! @Malcolm the Seceder, you just advanced to level 12!

2018-07-28 11:38:38 UTC  

@TruthCanary i actually received that on WhatsApp as well earlier the week. Also pretty much made the same point Daniel did. But this is a good example of how the literature now is abused to justify prejudices... I can relate to the left and right political struggle, so i can see the humor in it, and a part of me giggles about it, but i think it's really important to highlight the problematic nature of it as Daniel did.

2018-07-28 11:39:01 UTC  

Totally agree

2018-07-28 11:41:51 UTC  

As do I🤔

2018-07-28 11:44:47 UTC  

Left right can be helpful in broad terms but the problem is the rigidity and the fake "debates" on msm where it's just talking heads shouting at each. Usually with way too much make up on

2018-07-28 11:49:42 UTC  

I find it more along the context really... There is right and wrong, and there's right and left. Problem with politics is that both left and right have right and wrong, but it complicates it, politics in general is very complicated, hence politically i find myself more centre, but then the political enablers call you a fence sitter. I'm not really politically motivated myself, but i do believe so right and wrong, and also believe the road to hell is paved with good intentions... Politics seem to hinge on good intentions, whether you are right or left.

2018-07-28 11:52:58 UTC  

But then there are good intentions and good intentions

2018-07-28 11:58:20 UTC  

Well the way you tell them apart is easy.. There are those who DO good, and those who INTEND to do good. Let me provide an example; Willem does what is good, and then Renaldo, he obviously means well. 😉

2018-07-28 11:58:52 UTC  
2018-07-29 05:08:57 UTC  

So I have been toying with some Biblical concepts in my head....The Mark of the Beast, what is it? In the end, it was so simple. It is right there in the name. Firstly, let us define "The Beast". A beast is an animal right? So in my view, the usage of the word refers to all earthly animals - all the beasts of the earth. So now let us get to the mark itself. What is it exactly that makes a beast a beast? What "mark" does it have that makes it different from a human being? What separates humans from beasts? We are all made of flesh and blood, we all are born, we live and we die. But the one thing that us humans have that beasts do not, is a mind that is capable of critical thinking, reason and above all, Logic. Animals have (for the most part) a fight or flight response / mental capacity. Of course, some are a little more capable that others. In conclusion, a human being that has been "marked" does not have the ability to comprehend logic - which puts them on the same level as a beast. Flat Earth anyone? ~Namaste. 🙏

2018-07-30 09:44:07 UTC  

@Deejay from Earth What separates humans from animals is that humans have souls and animals do not.