Message from Malcolm the Seceder in Willem Petzer Live Chat #theology


2018-07-30 10:47:49 UTC  

The soul is the part of the person made in the image of God. The rational, moral, thinking part of the person. It is the immortal part that will live forever. It is given to the human being upon conception.

2018-07-30 10:48:08 UTC  

I think it is what we would say gives a human being his personhood.

2018-07-30 10:55:41 UTC  

My thoughts too, but where i am a little lost still is it individual to the person like we have individual souls, or us it individual as in we are receivers that tune into it, like radio tunes into a frequency... Im still trying to figure that one out, both have compelling arguments for and against. What's your take on it @Malcolm the Seceder

2018-07-30 11:06:50 UTC  

Each person has his own individual soul. So Westminster Confession of Faith Chapter 32.1: "The bodies of men after death return to dust, and see corruption(a); but their souls, (which neither die nor sleep,) having an immortal subsistence, immediately return to God who gave them(b)." The souls of the regenerate go to Heaven and the souls of the unregenerate go straight to Hell. On the last day the bodies of all persons will be raised and reunited with their souls and will either then spend eternity in Heaven or Hell.

2018-07-30 11:07:20 UTC  

(a) Genesis 3:19

2018-07-30 11:07:30 UTC  

(b) Luke 23:43

2018-07-30 11:39:17 UTC  

I follow you there, and here is another perspective of why i might be confused about it.

Genesis 2:7 - And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 - Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Deuteronomy 6:5 - And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Ezekiel 18:4 - Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

The soul is breathed into man, each soul a breath, a fragment perhaps? One God, one Truth, one Reason, which is all the same. So perhaps a hybrid of the two. I'm still working my way through understanding it all, but i do enjoy others perspectives and their convictions. Thanks for your input @Malcolm the Seceder

2018-07-30 11:49:42 UTC  

And maybe also to clarify, by individual, it was meant as seperate from the creator. Uniquely seperate. There is the father and then there is the soul, uniquely seperate. Something other than.

2018-07-30 11:53:43 UTC  

@Sheamus When we are told that God breathed into the nostrils of Adam and he became a living soul we're not meant to take that as God imparting a part of a whole to Adam. It's a symbolic statement. Each soul, as you say later, is a unique, separate entity.

2018-07-30 12:10:21 UTC  

Thank you bud, appreciate your input and trust your words, it's always my intention to understand it for myself whole heartedly without any doubt.

2018-07-30 13:11:01 UTC  

@Malcolm the Seceder I thank you for your input too. That's what I think separates us from religions like Hinduism and Buddhism, where they believe in Atman. Some sort of all encompassing soul that inhabits our bodies but is not individual.

2018-07-30 13:13:43 UTC  

@buzzlightyear Those "religions" are just darkness. There is power behind them to be sure, but it is a dark power. We gotta stay away from it. Have nothing to do with those things, right down to stuff like yoga: it's all poison.

2018-07-30 13:14:00 UTC  

So guys, another topicn I have been pondering lately: With all your knowledge and experiences, what do you think is the Bible's take on the subject of race and organisation of society (not salvation)?

2018-07-30 13:14:39 UTC  

@Malcolm the Seceder Yeah, I can sense the void that ultimately inhabits them.

2018-07-30 13:16:28 UTC  

Genesis 9:25-27?

2018-07-30 13:16:53 UTC  

That's the old view anyway๐Ÿ‘Œ๐Ÿป

2018-07-30 13:20:47 UTC  

Oh I heard of assigning the races to these biblical expressions. Which race is which again?

2018-07-30 13:20:52 UTC  

As for race, I graduated in Chemistry and the more I learned, the more I came to regard it as scientific fact, albeit controversial. It used to be regarded as such until it was discardes by the end of WW2 with no scientific explanations given.

2018-07-30 13:27:15 UTC  

Lol race is a topic divided among the materialists and the spiritualists lol

2018-07-30 13:32:02 UTC  

@Sheamus that might be true. Personally, I perceive quantum mechanics as something that unifies these two.
As the experiments are of material nature but their behavior depends very much on an observer which can not be rationally explained. It is just assumed as something that is

2018-07-30 13:44:58 UTC  

@buzzlightyear Shem would be the Jews, Japheth would be the Gentiles and Ham would be the blacks

2018-07-30 13:45:32 UTC  

There are some variations depending on the Christian tradition. Though Ham always remains the blacks ๐Ÿ˜‚

2018-07-30 13:47:52 UTC  

Ok thanks.Yeah, anyway.. seeing how these "multicultural" and "multiracial" societies devolve into cesspits of degeneracy and crime, I do not think God would want us to go that way. @Malcolm the Seceder

2018-07-30 13:48:43 UTC  

Multiculturalism doesn't work and there's certainly no Biblical mandate that we should be mixing cultures in any significant fashion

2018-07-30 13:49:21 UTC  

The Gospel is universal and that is why whites took the Gospel to the benighted parts of the world. But that doesn't mean they should then come over here and live amongst us.

2018-07-30 13:49:48 UTC  

@Malcolm the Seceder absolutely, that's how I understood it too.

2018-07-30 14:21:56 UTC  

From More Than Conquerers - Hendriksen

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2018-07-30 14:24:09 UTC  

Thanks @Daniel van Straaten this warms my heart

2018-07-30 17:39:05 UTC  

Thanks @Daniel van Straaten , will give it a watch ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

2018-07-30 17:43:51 UTC  

Here is the outline if you don't have time. https://truthxchange.com/2012/02/2996/

2018-07-31 10:04:03 UTC  

@Deejay from Earth Can we keep the flat earth chat to the info-wars channel please? [Apologies I edited this post to something different when I meant to post a new post so I have put it back to what it was.]

2018-07-31 11:24:23 UTC  

1 Chronicles 16:30 โ–บ
Tremble before him, all the earth! The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved.

2018-07-31 11:25:05 UTC  

Flat Earth IS a Theological issue Sir.

2018-07-31 11:34:02 UTC  

I'll agree, if it pertains to the literature let it be, but the usual flat earth discussion focused on flat earth in general not referencing the literature should stay in info wars.

2018-07-31 11:35:28 UTC  

Did I post any flat earth proofs here?

2018-07-31 11:36:33 UTC  

Lol i didn't @ you, just joining in on the conversation in general, so speaking to all lol

2018-07-31 11:36:55 UTC  

Cool no worries.

2018-07-31 11:48:48 UTC  

@Sheamus I'm just trying to figure out the psychology here. I don't mind at all if people don't agree with Gods Flat Earth, or if they believe they live on a spinning ball or whatever. Really I don't. What gets me is the outright hypocrisy of calling oneself a Christian and then "believing" (as opposed to proving) they live on a spinning ball. That one I don't understand. Then let us throw "Prove all things" at them and see what comes up. In your view Sheamus, what do you think the problem could be? Flat Earth is is proven through scripture, science, reason, logic, every day experience, common sense, observation and most importantly - the evidence of our God given senses. Just wondering.. you know?