https://sovereignnations.com/2017/12/29/fritz-erbe-reformation-figure-never-heard/

https://youtu.be/DeAZrGqeXAE

This is very clarifying to me as a citizen of two kingdoms

https://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?m=t&s=77141737518

@Daniel van Straaten Two Kingdom theology is usually dodgy. Is this in the same vein as Daryl Hart?

What kind of 2k theology does Darryl Hart believe in?

It seems one Kingdom theology is that which got the Jews into rejecting Christ. Sacralism reigned for a century in Europe and still plagued the magisterial reformers.

Modern “Radical 2K” led by David VanDrunen modifies the historic two kingdom doctrine by associating it with a dual ethic consisting of Scripture and “natural law.”

I affirm historic 2K while rejecting VanDrunen’s modification.
Historic radial 2K is what many anabaptist where.

http://reformedlibertarian.com/primer/two-kingdom-theology/

Darryl Hart:

"The moral law says thou shalt not kill. Paul says the magistrate wields the sword and kills legitimately. Moral law does not apply to government in the same way it applies to persons... Nero did not violate God’s law if he executed Christians who obeyed God rather than man. If Paul continued to preach after the emperor said he may not, then Nero was doing what God ordained government to do. Christians don’t get a pass from civil law just because they follow a higher law."

"The lips of the wise disperse knowledge, But the heart of the fool does not do so." Prov 15:7

https://oldlife.org/2017/01/04/is-donald-trump-mainstreaming-apostasy/#comment-151575

I recommend the part two sermon on 2k theology on sermon audio too https://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=77141712473

I would agree with the Westminster Establishment principle: the church and state are distinct but not wholly separate. They have separate spheres of authority but work hand in hand.

The whole nation should be Christian and it is the role of government to enforce that

Society should not be pluralistic. There should be no other religions in a Christian society

As for Hart I would have nothing to do with him. He goes out of his way to criticise Christians who try to promote Christian values in society.

And his blog is a sewer of antinomian filth

The logical consequence of establishmentarianism is that the civil magistrate holds the keys to the kingdom.

Christ is Lord.

But if it's Biblical it's Biblical. That's why we had the Disruption in Scotland but we still maintained the Biblical Establishment principle

@Malcolm the Seceder How do the Free churches view of the Establishment principle differ from the National church? Where they basically thinking that they should be the established church? Like in the Church of Scotland continuing?

@Daniel van Straaten Well the FPs would say we ARE the true Church of Scotland, Free and Presbyterian. Basically that there should be an established church.

I suppose the FC and FCC would say the same

Indeed. They'd be wrong however 🤷🏻‍♂️

What do you think of the FCC?

I was in the FCC for a while but became a APC guy.

I think they should have joined us when they split instead of forming a whole new denomination

But now they're too different from us

What is the difference?

They're not KJV only; there's hyper Calvinism lurking in their midst; they're not as strict on dress and lifestyle.

There are some very good fcc ministers but there's not uniformity across the board

I love Maurice Roberts

Yeah he's cool. And JJ Murray

Come into voice chat?

I used to visit JJ Murrays brother near dornoch

Willy Murray

Yes

Who were the nephilim?

Aren’t they the fallen angels?

Giants refer to original silicon based earth life, nephilim are fallen angels that came here and engineered carbon based life to work for them, apparently the garden of eden was more like the work camp of eden, we angered god by eating from the tree of knowledge became conscious and escaped. Titans are the giants in that passage and the great men of old are giant carbon based humans. Apologies if I went too info wars in here

Lol

Spoken like Alex Jones himself would approve of it lol

Many in the early church believed that the "sons of God" - of whom the nephilim are the children- were fallen angels. The view nowadays is that they are the descendants of Seth, i.e. believers, and the daughters of men are the daughters of the Cainites (Cain). And so it was a mixture of believers with the heathen

Following this view the nephilim- or giants- are mighty men of renown but who followed the heathen rather than the true religion. Some have also hypothesised that they may have been of great stature.