Message from @Derde
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What i did say was that throughout life the believer will always be repenting because he is always sinning. The believer still has the carnal, sinful nature within him. By nature he sins every moment. He can do nothing without corrupting it with his sin so he must always be asking forgiveness
You said "certain sins". By implication, other sins are excluded.
My deal is done - a good and perfect gift by faith, and nothing can change it:
James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
It would be great for my life below to match to the calling wherewith I'm called, but being perfect is a long way off.
What I meant by "certain sins" was that believers often, in their own mind, excuse certain sins which they dismiss as "small" and basically ok. This is obviously wrong. All sins are worthy of death. But we're talking about sinners. We do not think perfectly. And we're very good at deceiving ourselves, or allowing Satan to deceive us into thinking certain sins are ok.
Justification is perfect. Faith can be weak or strong in different believers, but true faith is by justification and justification is the same in all believers as one is either justified or not. But sanctification is a different thing from justification. It is never perfect in this life because the believer will always have his carnal nature. Believers have two natures: the carnal and the spiritual. Until he dies and goes to Heaven, when he is made perfect in holiness.
You can't just attach a whole theology to a word when that word has a perfectly good meaning already.
This is Calvinism
Justification and Sanctification are theological words and have to be understood in their theological contexts
I defy you to find the words "true faith" in a real Bible.
I have already given you a passage from Scripture which talks about good and bad fruits
Christ was talking about the Pharisees who had the externals of faith but were not true believers and that was shown by their fruits
He was warning about false prophets.
Exactly
They have plenty of wonderful works.
And miracles
And they call him "Lord Lord"
Indeed but they were not true believers
And that is what Christ is saying: they're fruits were not the fruit of the Spirit
They did not have true faith
No they didn't
They had faith in their works.
Look, Lordship salvation is a term that people started using in the 20th century. So just ignore that. The doctrine is that Christ is one's Lord and Saviour
Not just a Saviour but also Lord
He's Lord no matter what you say or do. He's YOUR Lord, no matter what you think.
You don't make him anything.
I am talking in the context of being a believer
Yes, Christ is King of kings and Lord of lords that's not what we're talking about
We are talking about the life of the believer
I'm talking about who he is.
Well that's not what we've been talking about
That's why we're still talking - because we lost each other on basic terms.
I'm happy to accept any term in the context it is used in the Authorised Version.
Lordship Salvation is a term which refers to a specific controversy which happened in North American evangelical churches
So let's not use it here as it's a distraction
Basically the issue at stake was whether when someone comes to saving faith Christ was only his saviour or also his lord in the sense that the believer was brought into conformity to the moral law, which is the old calvinist view as shown in the Westminster Standards. Some were denying that
We are brought into conformity with the law.
We are sanctified.
Of course Christ is Lord of lords but that wasn't the issue being debated