Message from @Arnoldsly99

Discord ID: 479915708021604354


2018-08-16 06:34:35 UTC  

let me guess, some fags found out account suspensions are automatic with reports and they're mass reporting people

2018-08-16 08:30:00 UTC  

Renaldo is die enigste ou wat dink hy is 'n "centrist".

2018-08-16 08:30:55 UTC  

@Daniel van Straaten @Rendier https://twitter.com/RenaldoGouws/status/1030006630430257152
Fair enough that they dont want to debate you, I personally detest so called echo chambers but surely you can understand their apprehension. If you promise to be fair and balanced and not use the classic 'muh racist, sexist, nazi' rhetoric then im sure they will give you an interview.

2018-08-16 08:33:50 UTC  

I was with him until he said "I am not left wing. I am centrist".

Liberals are the left.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468389204133543946/479568457621569546/the-denial-is-strong-with-this-one.jpg-e1433589637148.png

2018-08-16 08:36:09 UTC  

Renaldo is not even 'Liberal' he's a social democrat and has long abandoned individualism in favor of a collectivist worldview. Hence why he believes in 'White Privilege'.

2018-08-16 08:48:31 UTC  

Suidlanders should have accepted if they said they will debate anyone.

2018-08-16 10:22:21 UTC  
2018-08-16 15:36:04 UTC  

Remember, the terms "left" and "right," in their original context, when used during the Estates-General at the outset of the Revolution francaise, were determined by your position relative to the monarchy. If you completely opposed the monarchy in favor of a republic, you sat on the left (Jacobins); those who favored either a constitutional monarchy/moderate republic, sat in the middle/center-left (Girondins); those who supported the king, sat on the right (Royalistes). So, in a certain sense, the original "right-wing" were conservatives/traditionalists who favored the monarchy over a republic/democracy dominated by the masses! Hence, many "conservatives" are, historically speaking, actually left-wing and just don't realize it!

2018-08-16 16:05:12 UTC  

@MaximusXVI but does it apply when it doesn't revolve around a monarchy? It would be relevant we were under the influence of a monarchy, but now that we aren't, and there is no monarchy present for reference, would it matter, or even apply if the context is different?

2018-08-16 17:21:26 UTC  

@Sheamus of for sure! The context and even definition of terms definitely changes. I was just pointing out the historical context of the origins of the terms "left" and "right". I just think it's interesting that "right-wingers" today who support democracy or republicanism would be viewed as leftists or dare I even say liberals, in the original context of what definied "left" and "right" at the beginning of the French Revolution. The terms "left" and "right" today can include any number of things. I don't think there is a strict definition of right wing and left wing in the sense that, "if someone is right wing, they must believe this" or the same for the left. Do you think there are disqualifying factors for someone who identifies as right or left? For example, most people associate Richard Spencer with the far-right/alt-right whatever you want to call it; but he has some socialist-leaning positions such as universal healthcare? Does this, ipso facto, mean he's a leftist? I don't know, i think that's really open for discussion! 😃

2018-08-16 17:25:36 UTC  

@MaximusXVI well, as i understand left and right, left is government and right is freedom, therefore far left being dictatorship of a government controlled state, and far right being anarchy with no government. Right is more individual and left is more collective and tribal. That's the modern context as i understand it.

2018-08-16 18:04:52 UTC  

@Sheamus I agree 100% that those are the current contexts of "left" and "right". 👍

2018-08-16 18:36:25 UTC  

@MaximusXVI yeah so monarchy would be pretty far left in modern context i imagine.

2018-08-16 18:45:09 UTC  

@Sheamus haha! Well, in a modern context that defines left-right based on the amount of power government has, monarchy would be considered left wing. Although I think most people may still associate monarchy, even in a modern context, with the right because of the values that are often associated with monarchy, such as hierarchy, tradition, respect for authority that many right wingers also hold. If we applied modern political terms, for example, to the American Revolution, it was the conservative patriots fighting the liberal king. That sounds funny because I think we all know that, regardless of what one thinks of George III, he certainly was not a "liberal!" I think everyone who was involved in the American Revolution, would today be considered rightwing, to some degree. The king who represents discipline and tradition, and the patriots representing freedom and individual rights.

2018-08-16 18:59:27 UTC  

@MaximusXVI yeah I'm not American, so I'm not going to pretend i know every detail of your history, but i do follow along with what you are getting at. I think the modern context is rather organic and naturally accepted, would make more sense to keep with that definition to avoid unnecessary confusion.

2018-08-17 07:34:27 UTC  

Die doos kan nie nou wil backtrack nie. Hy het gese wat hy regtig voel. Hy moenie se almal het hom verkeerd verstaan nie want dis n pot kak.

2018-08-17 07:35:46 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468389204133543946/479916233345728521/20180817_093526.jpg

2018-08-17 07:36:45 UTC  

@Willem Petzer Staan op aandag vir jou video dat jy op die etter Rene Otto se graf kan kak.

2018-08-17 07:58:59 UTC  

daing

2018-08-18 09:46:47 UTC  

Black Twitter is starting to run with this!

VICTORY!

https://twitter.com/Gosebo_Mathope/status/1030749817289498624?s=19