this pagan/christian shit is just one more thing preventing a future

everyone wants their own little fucking group

people need to grow up or stop pretending like they care

No varg is just retarded and his understanding of history is fundamentally wrong

He's a symptom of how retarded the Neo pagan movement is

I think the religious disagreements have a key similarity with the other big disagreement within these circles. Generally speaking, I think the strong-Christian and strong-Pagan groups share more in common with eachother than they do their respective less-ideological co-religionists, and indeed the irreligious alt-right. As such, I see the push from both groups as yet another attempt to create artificial "white unity" as it were. It's yet another thing, let's unite under so and so banner against the foreign. At the end of the day, this movement is always going to be somewhat of a coalition. Furthermore, the Spencerite hard-pan-european standpoint is just as flawed as both sides of this argument, and for the same reason. It is trying to inflict a sense of pan-racial solidarity OVER and Excluding the sense that is more naturally felt by many Europeans, of ETHNIC solidarity. This may seem unrelated, but the same push against the alternative religious beliefs from either side of the debate represent a similar motivation; the achievement of some kind of unifying force among the white race above what people already feel. We gotta be pragmatic. Ultimately, the religion debate is thoroughly tiresome, as is the ethnic v. racial debate. At the end of the day, we gotta settle for the pragmatic solution in both cases;

1. In terms of religion, we're always going to belong to either camp, and neither will ever win out as the victor, or any sort of "official" religion. So let's just stfu about it.

2. Ethnicity is the most naturally held identity in terms of in/out groups. The colonies are ethnically mixed to the extent that race substitutes this as the foremost identity, and that's fine, just the way things are. But Europe is a continent of ethnic groups that will not willingly merge, and foremost do not consider themselves "white" over their ethnic identity.

ENOUGH BS

@Edward do not retardpost in effortposting
make an argument, or stick to crushing beercans against your head with your chums

@Convo Tell Varg to stop making arguments without historical proofs and this goes for the entire pagan movement in fact.

[Citation Needed] a book of totally real history that magically upholds my neopagan worldview by Varg "Kristian" Vikernes

well im not varg but i can tell you that muslims were jihading eastern europe for literally 200 years and the christians were sitting around with their thumbs up their ass turning their cheeks as hard as they could and getting their cummies by talking about how good they were

the pope had to literally make shit up about murdering actually not being a sin to get them to defend themselves, which they didn't even go all the way with

further, catholicism is in no way based on the bible, as one of the major laws is no false idols. In catholicism, the #3 most worshipped individual is jesus, with the #1 being the virgin of guatemala

catholicism was the crusader religion, and it was basically pure paganism with a cross symbol

it was polytheistic, militant, and based on honor in death, all of which are fundamentally pagan values honored by previous pagan civilizations such as sparta and rome

now, I normally wouldnt bring this up

i dont actually hate christianity

but this is varg's argument

this is his viewpoint

tell when u stop and ill respond

and just saying "lol shits in a bucket" is not a fucking argument

im done

1. It's almost like when a massive empire collapses (Western Roman Empire) the powers left behind struggle to fight a war

Also the Franks throw the Muslims out of Gaul and northern spain. Also the Visgoths after the Iberian pensisula had been conquered the reconquista begun

And @Convo which 200 years are they ?

fuck if i know

i can look it up

so can

but are we talking ottomans?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo

nah we're talking crusades

@Edward again, the gauls and spaniards were catholics, which is polytheistic and fundamentally based on principles that are interchangeable with paganism

Varg has a point

t. not a pagan

Reactions of the Christians before the Crusades -
Reconquista beginning
Battle of Tours (reclaimation of aquitaine)

Byzantine wars

right, watch the video i posted

he shows those on the map

I've watched the video

right, so you can see it's standing armies going "oh no there are people atacking us, but it's wrong to defend ourselves, but we'll die if we don't, oh please forgive me jesus"

@Convo He's being disingenious and not counting Christians attacking muslims only "formal crusade"

Which removes christian battles