Message from @Men Are Human

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2018-11-29 09:07:44 UTC  

Alright, In addition to that one, I've gotten some more sources:

- Biological differences

https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/hope-relationships/201402/brain-differences-between-genders

- Mental Illness

https://www.autismspeaks.org/science-news/cdc-increases-estimate-autisms-prevalence-15-percent-1-59-children

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/j.1469-7610.1975.tb01269.x
(76.7% of reading disabilities).

https://adhd-institute.com/burden-of-adhd/epidemiology/gender/

- Performance gap

Girls better in all school subjects, including math and science, and for
nearly a century -- but not on standardized tests: http://www.titleixforall.com/study-girls-get-higher-grades-than-boys-in-all-school-subjects/

- Some issues addressed

Reading issues are being addressed: https://equalitycanada.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Exploring-the-Boys-Crises-in-Education.pdf

- Education Discrimination

Teacher gender matters, boys know it, and apply themselves less because of it: http://cee.lse.ac.uk/ceedps/ceedp133.pdf

Gender disparities in student grades, presumably due to teacher bias, but
based on student behavior rather than ability:
https://www.econstor.eu/bitstream/10419/55134/1/682988421.pdf?version=meter+at+null&module=meter-Links&pgtype=Blogs&contentId=&mediaId=&referrer=&priority=true&action=click&contentCollection=meter-links-click

OECD concurs: http://www.oecd.org/newsroom/early-gender-gaps-drive-career-choices-and-employment-opportunities.htm

One attempt to quantify this bias suggests that "Over the four years of middle
school, teachers’ gender bias against boys accounts for 21 percent of boys
falling behind girls in math." https://mitili.mit.edu/sites/default/files/project-documents/SEII-Discussion-Paper-2016.07-Terrier.pdf

2018-11-29 09:11:57 UTC  

Unfortunately, The Boy Crisis doesn't really help that much with explaining boy's education issues because its sources are kinda shite. For instance, it notes that boys are much less enthused about school than they used to be, but when looking at the data that is equally an issue for girls. One thing the book does help with is noting that broken families really, really hurt and are part of a vicious cycle (failures at school are more likely to have failed marriages and failed jobs, which cause failures at school for the next generation).

2018-11-29 09:13:32 UTC  

I'll see if I can put something together with that in the coming days

2018-11-29 09:14:22 UTC  

but if I don't get finished for some reason, that should provide fertile ground for explaining the goings on for boy's issues in education

2018-11-29 09:20:12 UTC  

--

2018-11-29 09:20:12 UTC  

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2018-11-29 09:20:16 UTC  

Oh, right, that bot

2018-11-29 09:25:57 UTC  

Other interesting things to look at are that when girls face similar issues that boys are suffering from failures in motivation, changes in pedagogy are recommended: https://www.theguardian.com/world/us-news-blog/2013/feb/05/girls-science-gender-gap-fixies.

And that while most gender bias seems based on the sources I found to be based in classroom behavior, some is direct sexism: http://reason.com/archives/2018/05/23/prof-bumps-female-students-stem-grades-b

I was also looking for a study where schoolwork was submitted using pseudonyms that got graded differently based on gender, but couldn't find it.

2018-11-29 09:38:44 UTC  

Thanks for the links. They will be useful in writing articles. Would you like to do one yourself?

2018-11-29 09:42:30 UTC  

I intend to, we'll see if I can pull something together in the coming days

2018-11-29 09:43:41 UTC  

Also, to keep things in this channel up to date, @InsaneCaterpilla provided a an excellent source from France showing that it isn't likely just classroom behavior driving the bias: https://www.ipp.eu/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/n14-notesIPP-december2014.pdf

2018-11-29 09:43:49 UTC  

Thanks!

2018-11-29 09:44:25 UTC  

Thanks a lot

2018-11-29 09:48:34 UTC  

Yw x_X I get shy around praise, please don't make a habit of it :p

2018-11-29 11:58:09 UTC  

Don't worry. I'll try to not do it then. XD I could just add a /s after the thank yous.

2018-11-29 11:58:28 UTC  

Thanks a lot! I mean it! /s

2018-11-29 11:58:44 UTC  

How's that? :D

2018-11-29 11:58:49 UTC  

Well now that just sounds mean

2018-11-29 11:58:56 UTC  

Sorry.

2018-11-29 11:59:13 UTC  

I was trying to make you feel better

2018-11-29 11:59:24 UTC  

I am not good at that

2018-11-29 11:59:25 UTC  

Where's my Ferrari >.>

2018-11-29 11:59:30 UTC  

XD

2018-11-29 12:08:44 UTC  

If it runs Ofc that's fine

2018-11-29 19:44:53 UTC  

These citations are all for boys being marked lower than girls for the same work in school:

2018-11-29 20:55:52 UTC  

Careful, those are actually all studies I linked above just with different covers, except for the Israel study. Note that the OECD study, if you look at the actual source material instead of the headlines basically moves mountains to make a feminist justification for the gender bias. Though the actual OECD press release that I linked states the teacher bias more clearly than either the source material or the internationalednews article.

2018-11-29 20:55:57 UTC  

That Israel study is gold though!

2018-11-29 20:56:52 UTC  

Unlike the other studies concerning teacher bias which had all read the prior literature and said basically "as expected, teachers mark down boys...", the Israel study actually notes in the abstract that contrary to expectations teachers don't mark down girls, rather they mark down boys

2018-11-29 20:57:14 UTC  

"male students face discrimination in *each* subject" is right there in the abstract

2018-11-29 20:57:14 UTC  

Thanks a lot for your feedback. Those are all good points. I haven't read them yet as I have only just gotten back from work.

2018-11-29 20:58:44 UTC  

If that is the case, I'll leave it to you to cite the Israel study. By the way, I'm thinking that mentioning what you just said in the article would be a really good idea.

2018-11-29 20:59:38 UTC  

Help people see behind the feminist curtain, so to speak.

2018-11-29 21:00:53 UTC  

Good point

2018-11-29 21:00:56 UTC  

I'll do that

2018-11-29 21:59:00 UTC  

@asparkofpyrokravte lol mate check your Reddit replies xD

2018-11-29 22:00:03 UTC  

Same one as what?

2018-11-29 22:00:13 UTC  

Oh, lol

2018-11-29 22:00:53 UTC  

oops

2018-11-29 22:02:58 UTC  

Happens to everyone :3