Message from @InsaneCaterpilla
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well Judaism accounts for less than 3% of the US population
isn't Judaism is the only religion that advocates circumcision for religious reasons?
Circumcision is a social norm in the US
right but not for religious reasons
Islam does as well, kind of, but my personal research seems to say it's not actually mandated as such, just recommended, and Muhammad was circumcised
I'm trying to find some numbers on 'reasons' for circumcision, but I guess they don't even ask?
found some stats that circumcision is in decline in the US, which is nice
but still about 50% of newborns are being circumcised according to the CDC
0.7% Reduction of UTI risk in boys, from 1.8% to 1.1%. The UTI risk in girls in 6.6%
Protection from Penile Cancer, which occurs at a rate of .0014% Each year
Help protect women from HPV, which with Gardasil is now irrelevant
Phimosis, Balanitis and balanoposthitis are numbers I do not know
But even with a complication rate of circumcision on the extreme conservative side of 2% I do not see this being a net positive like doctors claim.
It prevents those because they are conditions that can't exist without a foreskin afaik, but generally we don't tend to remove functioning parts of the human body if they dont act exactly as intended, we treat them
Edit: just to be clear for anyone reading I was refereeing to the phimosis and ballentitis part of the list
Obviously I'm going to agree with you being where we are, most of these conditions do not even require any antibiotics, just TLC and careful washing to resolve.
Phimosis occurs in .6% of boys by their 15th birthday
To me the 100% of boys who go through an invasive, painful surgery needs some clear HIGH numbers to justify it's continued practice. None of these afflictions are life-threatening in any way to warrant going under the knife.
especially at such a young age with no consent and zero symptoms
Somehow when you present people with this evidence though, they become violent and irrational
Either they don't have a penis, or don't want to believe they've been diminished in any way.
I can see how it would be an upsetting thing, it would be to anyone which is why I'm so against it being done so people can avoid that pain and damage as well as the loss of sensitivity and pain as a baby and later psychological damage. But people need to know that they are not defined *as a person* by what someone else chose to do to them
đź‘Ť nice job mate
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That's more than I keep seeing. I usually see 117. Love the message though.
I used the higher of the two estimates I've seen. But even then, what are people going to argue. That ONLY 117 die?
That'd be a pretty bad argument.
We had an idea for a MRM sticker pack. Would you let me use that as one @KnightofNarg ?
Sure.
I got the 229 Number from http://www.cirp.org/library/death/ from Robert Baker's numbers
I plan on doing some 1-3 panel comics when I get time about MRA stuff, since visual is more impactful.
I know this is done to combat penile cancer deaths but there are some factors not thought about. Like end of life quality of life concerns that cause elderly men to decline treatment, the advances we'll make in 60 years to combat cancer when then children are old enough, and the current mindset of ignoring men's health issues.
@KnightofNarg thanks a lot - especially for the citation. And please do do the comics!
That's a victory. We are making progress.
Even if only one boy is spared, this is worth it.
One kid isn’t enough. Hopefully this mother goes on to tell her other expecting friends about this, and then they tell their friends. Hopefully that one mother has a massive effect
Exactly
Vile individual.
Running for Senate too?