Message from @InsaneCaterpilla

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2018-11-22 21:27:36 UTC  

Breaking big concepts into parts is crucial to fields like math/science, where the questions being answered don't have an easy solution you can just observe. You can't solve problems in these fields without first breaking them into stages, or steps, or testable metrics

2018-11-22 21:29:06 UTC  

For fields studying language and society, linguistics anthropology psychology etc., The whole is ultimately the only thing that matters. The whole language is how we communicate. The whole culture defines the society. The whole brain is how we think

2018-11-22 21:29:18 UTC  

Putting parts together into a whole is a big deal in those fields

2018-11-22 21:29:43 UTC  

That's why women have a tendency to take these kinds of jobs, while men take jobs that involve breaking big, complex questions into parts

2018-11-22 21:30:17 UTC  

Does that help, @Fred?

2018-11-23 21:59:59 UTC  

@Rai yea thats basically what i thought too but reading a paper on it would be very interesting

2018-11-24 08:52:08 UTC  

Language is more important in terms of evolution to women than men. Women are better at colour perception because of the traditional foraging role, they are better at communication as they are the news network and library of bronze-age society.

Men meanwhile, as the hunters and warriors, need to be better at split-second decision making based on precise analysis of the environmental data. it is also more vital for bronze-age man to make precise, calculated decisions as they are often life-or-death, whilst for women the imperative is on maintaining emotional and social cohesion of the group.

Of course it is worth noting that these are generalisations and you will get some women better suited to hunting, construction, fighting and so forth and some men better at recalling knowledge or social cohesion. But in general, these principles continue into the present day and result in the skew in vocations that men and women continue to exhibit, even when women have more-than-equal oppertunities to take up roles in traditional-male roles.

2018-11-25 23:50:04 UTC  

@Skellious While these traits may be true for the evolution of past ages, what advantage do these things mean to our current age? We have built a society around NOT using brute force or physical prowess. Communication is king, yet it is still men that dominate the scholarly and philosophical pursuits. Should it not be women that hold this mantle with their enhanced evolution of perception and communication?

2018-11-26 02:21:20 UTC  

@Silver_The_Bard Actually, studies show women do better in school than men. How much of this is due to biased teachers and department standards varies

2018-11-26 02:22:42 UTC  

But I'd say most of it can be chalked up to the teaching style used today. Students get lectured at and try their best to remember it and regurgitate it on an exam, which is not quite how it was even one generation ago. Women are better at school as it is today

2018-11-26 02:24:24 UTC  

It could also be because there are more services, scholarships etc. designed to help women, as well as more women being admitted into college in general equating to more chances for success

2018-11-26 02:24:41 UTC  

Another factor, like I mentioned, is department standards

2018-11-26 02:25:25 UTC  

Liberal arts departments like psychology give extra credit in their courses more often, while STEM, business, and other majors men would do better in hardly ever give extra credit

2018-11-26 02:26:57 UTC  

Studies also show teachers mark girls less harshly

2018-11-26 02:27:20 UTC  

Like I said, bias from instructors plays a role. The bias gets worse if the teacher is female

2018-11-26 02:29:23 UTC  

Therefore I don't find it accurate to say they do better in school, but that others skew the results so they appear to. They aren't gaining that by themselves

2018-11-26 02:29:36 UTC  

No, the actual style is more suited to women

2018-11-26 02:29:45 UTC  

Bias plays a role, but it's not the only factor

2018-11-26 02:30:12 UTC  

Men tend to enjoy learning through experience

2018-11-26 02:30:26 UTC  

The number of degrees that employ this type of learning is very low

2018-11-26 02:32:36 UTC  

I don't deny that the environment and method is more suited toward the way girls learn, but without the bias by itself I do think there'd be a marked improvement to at least bring boys up to the same level. I'll agree that the bias varies and it's not the only factor but it's not like it's a small factor

2018-11-26 02:32:59 UTC  

Yes, I agree, but I also think that many of the factors need to be addressed

2018-11-26 02:33:10 UTC  

Protocols need to be put in place to reduce bias

2018-11-26 02:33:28 UTC  

Other methods of learning need to be incorporated into the education system

2018-11-26 02:33:44 UTC  

More services need to help men, or just everyone neutrally

2018-11-26 02:34:40 UTC  

And more men need to be admitted. Though that might be fixed by fixing the above

2018-11-26 02:35:47 UTC  

Some of the services which are aimed at boys in education also need to be scrapped. The rate at which boys (and some girls too) are diagnosed with ADHD or other disorders and medicated simply for being themselves is way higher than the societal average

2018-11-26 02:36:25 UTC  

Yeah, misdiagnosis of ADHD for just ordinary boyish behavior is a huge problem

2018-11-26 02:36:46 UTC  

The real problem lies with the education system

2018-11-26 02:37:12 UTC  

We need to bring back recess and allow more experiential learning in schools among other things

2018-11-26 02:43:38 UTC  

Very well put. I've also seen the increases in certain departments. Humanities is definitely higher up there in female participation.

2018-11-26 02:43:52 UTC  

But what about philosophy?

2018-11-26 02:46:02 UTC  

What we claim as the intrinsic ability to delve into ourselves, the constructs we create and the nature of the universe. It would seem that the supposed evolutionary advantages should incline more women to participate. But I hardly see anything that's not Feminism based.

2018-11-26 02:47:04 UTC  

Heck, we had two male based ideologies spawn from what it took women 60 years to cultivate. MRA and MGTOW. And technically INCEL if you want to count it.

2018-11-26 02:48:17 UTC  

In all of my days at the university, I have found it such a challenge to get a group of women to sit down and discuss philosophy. Open ended without being forced by a professor.

2018-11-26 02:50:15 UTC  

But if you just give a hand full of cannabis or psychedelics to a group of men and eventually the conversation turns to philosophy.

2018-11-26 02:51:55 UTC  

The point I'm trying to get to: Trying to make a basis of biological evolution for the way that either men or women interact with our current society is folly. There are too many conflicting variables.

2018-11-26 02:52:06 UTC  

I like this

2018-11-26 02:52:14 UTC  

this is,good

2018-11-26 02:52:20 UTC  

good job

2018-11-26 03:10:23 UTC  

I find it preposterous when anyone tries to claim that were growing as a society because of the increased female numbers in higher academia. Are they flocking to the four cornerstones that enhance our society? (Politics: Systems creation) (Economy: Systems maintenance and resource allocation) (Technology: Systems enhancement) (Philosophy: Human improvement.) No.