Message from @Rai
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Because MRAs are sexist AFATK
Doesn't matter what their reason is. That they oppose equality and won't listen to other arguments is the point. Why is irrelevent.
There's plenty of documented examples of feminism organizing against men's concerns when it conflicts with their agenda
Instead of working with us, they try to shut us out of the discussion
Sometimes violently
And why?
That is the real question
That they do these things is not doubted
but to say it is because they oppose equality is at best misguided
It's accurate no matter their reason.
Why do you think why they do it changes that they do?
It does not
I never said it does
but it changes how we can judge them on it
and how we can solve the problem
You just said it's misguided to say they oppose equality, when it's a factual statement.
They do not oppose equality
They oppose groups that supposedly fight for equality
@InsaneCaterpilla's logic is sound, but just to break down the argument into simple points that can be understood:
that is different than deliberately opposing all equality
Yes
Same with the MRM
2) The MRM primarily cares about men while arguing for equality, by definition
correct
3) Only feminism has tried to shut the MRM out of the discussion. We've been trying to work with them for years
r/menslib does it fairly well
r/menslib dismisses genuine problems men face in society
They're an arm of feminism
Sorry to interject but have you seen menslib?
@Rai right
Yes I have. I actually prefer it to r/mensrights right now
some great discussions going on there
Now
give an example of it dismissing genuine problems
You mean like how to teach men not to rape people?
which is a genuine thing?
That's legitimately a topic I saw seriously discussed on there last time I viewed it
Yeppers. You have a problem with educating people about consent?
I have a problem with it being aimed at men specifically. And assuming that men don't know what rape is is frankly ridiculous
4) A pluralistic society involves interest groups like feminism and the MRA working together to shape policy, and by the compromises made, society is defined by the collective self-interest of the people through groups representing them