Definition 1 seems harmless enough, but definition 2 makes it clear that this is a women's movement

Correct

feminism is for women

Their argument is equality, but the only care about women

Which normally would be fine, provided men get their own movement

Problem is feminism fights against that

Not because they oppose men's advocacy though

Because MRAs are sexist AFATK

Doesn't matter what their reason is. That they oppose equality and won't listen to other arguments is the point. Why is irrelevent.

There's plenty of documented examples of feminism organizing against men's concerns when it conflicts with their agenda

Instead of working with us, they try to shut us out of the discussion

Sometimes violently

And why?

That is the real question

That they do these things is not doubted

but to say it is because they oppose equality is at best misguided

It's accurate no matter their reason.

Why do you think why they do it changes that they do?

It does not

I never said it does

but it changes how we can judge them on it

and how we can solve the problem

You just said it's misguided to say they oppose equality, when it's a factual statement.

They do not oppose equality

They oppose groups that supposedly fight for equality

@InsaneCaterpilla's logic is sound, but just to break down the argument into simple points that can be understood:

that is different than deliberately opposing all equality

1) Feminism only cares about women while arguing for equality, by definition

Yes

Same with the MRM

2) The MRM primarily cares about men while arguing for equality, by definition

correct

3) Only feminism has tried to shut the MRM out of the discussion. We've been trying to work with them for years

r/menslib does it fairly well

r/menslib dismisses genuine problems men face in society

They're an arm of feminism

Sorry to interject but have you seen menslib?

@Rai right

Yes I have. I actually prefer it to r/mensrights right now

some great discussions going on there

Now