Yep

It is the role stereotypes that are toxic, not the genders

Women are just as much dicks as men are cunts

And that is irrelevant to a discussion on gender role stereotypes

Roles aren't toxic... roles got us to where we are today, a world where you can sit in luxury and whine about mother nature and the evolution of the human race.

Since we are operating on different understandings of a term, I am afraid this conversation cannot continue

Or in his case, bring Men’s Lib style whining to a completely different forum.

Great! Bye.

Before someone was to say toxic masculinity exists I would ask them to define masculinity and then point out what aspects of masculinity are inherently toxic

Men have, for years, done all they can to make womens lives easier. We did so to such a degree that women now blame men for everything that's wrong because there's no hardships left to teach them how cruel life is.

(In a general terminology... not all men, not all women standing)

Again, we are discussing toxic masculinity. Things that hurt men.

Women are not relevant to the discussion in this instance

Let's find an example of toxic masculinity. How about something simple: Men cannot show emotions

that is not healthy for men, right? It causes psychological issues

I've never had that pushed on me by other men, only women.

And?

You're telling me women teach men toxic behaviours, that aren't really "masculine"?

You define masculinity then

And I can work around that

Strength, whether it be physical or mental or emotional. Uprighteousness, whether that needs defiance to the law or in accordance with the law, a good moral compass. Steadfast, to try to do the things that need done regardless of adversity, whether they accomplish the goal or not, to their best effort. To give three.

Those are examples

Could you perhaps give me an all encompassing definition of what constitutes masculinity

See, for me that definition would be:
"Societal expectations of how people of the male sex should behave"

You mean you want me to boil it down to specific words that are used for brevity so you can take each word out of context and contort them individually rather than use them as a whole in context?

No

This is why we don’t entertain such a person.

'Societal'? That's never been the definition unless you're a wackjob from a Gender Studies class.

If 'Societal' was in the definition you wouldn't have evil people described as masculine the same as evil people (some Queens we've had, eh?) are described as feminine.

wouldn't*

@GG Allin I find it entertaining to entertain such people... take them to the edge but don't give them the diving board they want.

Jush push them off so they belly flop on their own foolishness

The problem with "toxic masculinity" is it implies some sort of intent or group responsibility. If men were actually victims of such a thing, calling it "toxic masculinity" would be victim blaming. You know, that thing that gives feminists a collective aneurysm

Haha! Yeah, understandable @SirPoopsie

Man when people insist that toxic masculinity exists admittedly it does get my jimmies rustled, this is why so many men are full of self hatred, because they're told that aspects of their existence are inherently bad

I dealt with the SJW guy

I gave him the old Bobby Hill treeatemnt

who?

The troll

You mean you didn't use the propane? You used charcoal and lighter fluid?

I shoved my sugarfoot up his ass