Message from @John 313
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And the Jama'ah is very tangible
Some Akhbaris said that sunnis were kufar
So to them the jama'ah would be shias
But the majority position is that sunnis are Muslim
Ok ok I see
It's grave worship and if you disagree you are wrong
"I asked "The Saudi Ulama say that touching the graves and calling the saints for their blessings is polytheism, so what is your opinion?"
Al-Sayyid al-Sadr replied:
If touching the graves and calling the dead is with the understanding that they could cause harm or render a benefit, then that is polytheism, no doubt about it, the Muslims are monotheists and they know that Allah alone could cause harm or render a benefit, but calling the saints and Imams (may Allah bless them all) with the understanding that they could be an intermediary to Allah, that is not polytheism."
https://www.al-islam.org/sw/node/12750
Yes it is polytheism and this is IJMA as narrated by ibn Hajar that whoever takes an intermediary to Allah is an apostate.
Also I would like to point out the first part of his answer 'it's not polytheism as long as you believe allah is the one behind it', this is always the excuse for every saint worshipping religion. Mary's not all hearing, God just allows her to hear you. However many Shia believe that God already gave power over the entire universe to the Imams, so I mean their argument is literally 'it's not shirk unless you believe they got God's power themselves', and that's just stupid.
Were you born Sunni or Shia ?
Sunni
Hanafi Athari
Can't believe a Sunni can become Shia what went trough your head, what made you think Shiism is truth ?
Yeah. Mostly Shiites who become Sunnis not the other way around.
Basically the fact that Imamate is correct, but I'm to exhausted to debate here now. @Deleted User is debating a Christian so I'm helping him in dms.
@Caliphization Really? We got 3 people who went from sunni to shia in Rafed server.
Like, said the shahada in vc
That’s sad. Most people convert from Shiism to Sunnism
>sending videos to prove a point
And what do you think about the Shiite fatimid Caliphate who tyrannized the Ummah and cut people in half because they refused to worshop Ali
worship*
Fatimids were Ismaili
Ismailis are kufar
And backstabbed Saladin in the crusades war.
Because they reject shariah
But Ismailism is Shiism
And are panentheistic
Doesn't matter. According to the 12er Shias, anyone who rejects shariah is a kafir
Okok
Well I pray that Allah SWT will get you and all Shias back to the straight path as Iran used to be Sunni(Muslim) before
Ameen
>ijma
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not all sunni scholars agree on this mate, al tabarani narrated an interesting hadith on istighatha which i might loom for later
idk why you'd respect isis the group who apologizes to israel after attacking them and the group who's objectives align with america's perfectly (assad is a nuisance for israel as he allows hezbollah and iran to have a land link)
oh you wanted me to keep politics out, wont discuss it from here on then
I don't respect Daesh m8, they are Khawarij, but they are better than Assad or any Rafidi group. They never apologized to Israel either, they have an active branch fighting Israel in Palestine. The Sheikh Omar Hadid Brigade.
>Objectives align with America
Hmm didn't know America wanted to establish a Caliphate good to know.
Israel, Assad, Iran, and Hezbollshaytan all need to be destroyed. No need to pick lesser of evils (even tho the Shia are worse than kuffar).
daesh isnt better than iran or assad
and they did apologize to israel lol i'll find it
and america wants an anti iran state to block arms from iran into lebanon and palestine