Message from @John 313

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2018-08-29 22:52:52 UTC  

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2018-08-29 22:52:54 UTC  

He banned shariah

2018-08-29 22:52:56 UTC  

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2018-08-29 22:53:18 UTC  

@John 313 Like the French in Algeria, all kufars do that it's normal

2018-08-29 22:53:32 UTC  

Since you're Shia what do you say about this hadith:

It was narrated from Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) that he said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stood among us and said: “Those who came before you of the people of the Book split into seventy-two sects, and this ummah will split into seventy-three: seventy-two in Hell and one in Paradise, and that is the jamaa’ah (main body of Muslims).”

90% of muslims are Sunni 10% Shias

2018-08-29 22:53:42 UTC  

@Jacob 🕋 You wanna debate tawassul huh?

2018-08-29 22:53:57 UTC  

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2018-08-29 22:54:17 UTC  

@carlos firstly it was narrated by Muawiyah who we deem as munafiq

2018-08-29 22:54:52 UTC  

And the Jama'ah is very tangible

2018-08-29 22:55:05 UTC  

Some Akhbaris said that sunnis were kufar

2018-08-29 22:55:22 UTC  

So to them the jama'ah would be shias

2018-08-29 22:55:41 UTC  

But the majority position is that sunnis are Muslim

2018-08-29 22:56:13 UTC  

Ok ok I see

2018-08-29 22:56:17 UTC  

It's grave worship and if you disagree you are wrong
"I asked "The Saudi Ulama say that touching the graves and calling the saints for their blessings is polytheism, so what is your opinion?"
Al-Sayyid al-Sadr replied:
If touching the graves and calling the dead is with the understanding that they could cause harm or render a benefit, then that is polytheism, no doubt about it, the Muslims are monotheists and they know that Allah alone could cause harm or render a benefit, but calling the saints and Imams (may Allah bless them all) with the understanding that they could be an intermediary to Allah, that is not polytheism."
https://www.al-islam.org/sw/node/12750

Yes it is polytheism and this is IJMA as narrated by ibn Hajar that whoever takes an intermediary to Allah is an apostate.
Also I would like to point out the first part of his answer 'it's not polytheism as long as you believe allah is the one behind it', this is always the excuse for every saint worshipping religion. Mary's not all hearing, God just allows her to hear you. However many Shia believe that God already gave power over the entire universe to the Imams, so I mean their argument is literally 'it's not shirk unless you believe they got God's power themselves', and that's just stupid.

2018-08-29 22:56:18 UTC  

Were you born Sunni or Shia ?

2018-08-29 22:56:31 UTC  

Sunni

2018-08-29 22:56:36 UTC  

Hanafi Athari

2018-08-29 22:57:04 UTC  

Can't believe a Sunni can become Shia what went trough your head, what made you think Shiism is truth ?

2018-08-29 22:57:40 UTC  

Yeah. Mostly Shiites who become Sunnis not the other way around.

2018-08-29 22:58:08 UTC  

Basically the fact that Imamate is correct, but I'm to exhausted to debate here now. @Deleted User is debating a Christian so I'm helping him in dms.

2018-08-29 22:58:35 UTC  

@Caliphization Really? We got 3 people who went from sunni to shia in Rafed server.

2018-08-29 22:58:53 UTC  

Like, said the shahada in vc

2018-08-29 22:59:14 UTC  

That’s sad. Most people convert from Shiism to Sunnism

2018-08-29 22:59:27 UTC  

>sending videos to prove a point

2018-08-29 22:59:28 UTC  

Smh

2018-08-29 22:59:30 UTC  

And what do you think about the Shiite fatimid Caliphate who tyrannized the Ummah and cut people in half because they refused to worshop Ali

2018-08-29 22:59:32 UTC  

worship*

2018-08-29 22:59:44 UTC  

Fatimids were Ismaili

2018-08-29 22:59:49 UTC  

Ismailis are kufar

2018-08-29 22:59:56 UTC  

And backstabbed Saladin in the crusades war.

2018-08-29 22:59:58 UTC  

Because they reject shariah

2018-08-29 23:00:07 UTC  

But Ismailism is Shiism

2018-08-29 23:00:14 UTC  

And are panentheistic

2018-08-29 23:00:44 UTC  

Doesn't matter. According to the 12er Shias, anyone who rejects shariah is a kafir

2018-08-29 23:02:00 UTC  

Okok

2018-08-29 23:02:22 UTC  

Well I pray that Allah SWT will get you and all Shias back to the straight path as Iran used to be Sunni(Muslim) before

2018-08-29 23:02:32 UTC  

Ameen

>ijma
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not all sunni scholars agree on this mate, al tabarani narrated an interesting hadith on istighatha which i might loom for later