Id have to say liberalism

@PunishedMuskovy liberalism is new, this problem is not

well if you really want to go there

then the people who are pushing such symptoms onto us

@CronoSaturn@PunishedMuskovy i have refined my question, when the time comes, should we give up freedom for security?

depends on what kind of freedom you are asking

for what kind of security

Freedom v.s. security is a dilemma forced onto us by people who want neither.

thats what scares me, i dont understand how one must feel to make that decision

@Kazimir Malevich thats a cop-opt statement (ironically)

Doesn't make it any less true.

I don’t think freedom can exist without security

I definitely don’t think liberalism is the cause however. Liberalism has been a consistent feature of the American project

@CronoSaturn

Your choices are confined by threat.

that just occurred to me actually

@CronoSaturn so.. faced by that threat... is there any option at all?

sorry, somthing seems missing, but im having a hard time even thinking of the right question to ask

Yes. Worst case theres the option to die or comply. As satre said you are free in that radical sense

But that is not a desirable degree of freedom

Freedom does not exist in the absence of order

Would it be the freedom to do whatever I wish with myself?

Yes I would give that up

Because the state must protect its citizens

so, to prevent this situation, we must restore order before it comes to this point

even if it has to protect you

from yourself

only in japan

Freedom requires it’s responsible use undoubtably but this is not exclusive to the citizen and the state has shown itself fully capable of betraying the citizens trust when given leeway to

Abortion is abhorrant for any reason. All these reasons child killers give to justify the disgusting practice (Life of the mother/rape/etc) are less than 1% of all abortions. The overwhelming reason we are killing babies is convienence. It is fucking vile.

Is it more abhorrent then subjecting the kid to a lifetime of being unwanted, poverty, neglect and poverty? We cannot force a parent to want their child and the impact of neglected children should not be forced upon everyone else. Regardless of the reason then, if someone thinks they should get an abortion then they’re probably right.

Yes but those who get abortions should be executed

If they’re just not going to be born at all we might as well just make the have it and send the kid into compulsory military service

I mean really why not, Id rather be force conscripted at birth than not be born at all

Those who get abortions tend not to have the greatest lives themselves and dont see it as a choice they’d prefer to make, rather one that by carelessness, poor planning or circumstance they’ve been forced into making. Executions dont bring justice here and it robs society of otherwise productive members who’ve made a poor choice.

Military service is an honour not a dumpster to deal with the dregs of society. It requires a willingness to volunteer for members to be effective at all and even then the modern battlefield is complex and requires advanced operations to be conducted in order to achieve the delivery of an effect, an extra body can be just as easily a liability as an asset here. Either the person is an effective member of society, in which case they can just as productively enter any field, or they arnt in which case we need to investigate how to provide them the tools and training they need to perform. The military is not the place to do the latter.

No, those children forced in would be trained to be career soldiers from birth

It’s not a labor camp it’s military service

It’s like social relief programs but the government actually gets something good out of it instead of just dumping money away

If anything they would be the best treated, most well trained soldiers, cultivated from birth to serve the fatherland

And who is doing that training? It’s not like state guardianship isn’t a thing, but it’s arm of rotating foster care is the most infamously poor way of raising children who will go on to be effective citizens. As it stands this system is largely incapable of producing citizens who can achieve the level of intellectual, physical and moral exertions that are required of our military members. In what way do you see extending and adding to this burden as in anyway capable of improving on this result?

```Those who get abortions tend not to have the greatest lives themselves and dont see it as a choice they’d prefer to make, rather one that by carelessness, poor planning or circumstance they’ve been forced into making. ```
It has nothing to do with planning and everything to do with hedonism, this is why sex before mariage is considered a sin.
```Executions dont bring justice here and it robs society of otherwise productive members who’ve made a poor choice.```
Productive? The only productive thing here to do was to give the child his life. She's not that productive even by your standars you stated above.
You misunderstand the nature of death penalty as it serves as a deterrent. You're not going to keep murdering your women and they are not going to abort children in spite of the penalty. What an absurd proposition.