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The state's primary role is to sustain its own continued existence

@Bird Wizard i know all good 👌

If it can't do that, it shall be replaced

@Ventruvi and what should the state protect its citizens from

Bad goys

Role of a Nation State should be to guarantee the continued existence and reproduction of it's respective Nation

pure survival and continued existence should never be the primary goal

Use the bot room aztec @The Big Oof

by it's nature tho, the State as an organization puts it's own Survival above all else usually

arguing from that view, u can justify anything even mass immigration

yea, if its only goal is

keep the nation going

then what will it sacrifice to achieve those sole goals

i think we have different definitions of Nation

we get a society like ours

keep the goodtimes going no matter how many weak men it creates

i mean Nation in a sense where Nationality and Citizenship are different things, you can be a German National and maybe have Swiss Passport

@AdorableStormtrooper we're talking about nation in terms of a country

The state is the extension of the great leader that created that society under its fist. It's logical that the role of the state should be to unconditionally rule and to expand its society infinitely, crushing every enemy on its way.

but a state should prioritize the safety of its own citizens over others

crushing as in subjecating or pure genocide?

my definition is how it used to be tho like Jews might be citizens of a Place, but their Nationality was always said to be Jewish

ethnicity

nationality, because of the Israels policy towards diaspora

Genocide with light absorption

@Bird Wizard Theoretically, if everyone was moral, there would be no need for a state

Though, since that's impossible

@svalis and thats just a theory for a reason

A state is pretty much a requirement

so its not a tool

which is why anarcho anything

is pure retardation

Statist leave

an expansionist state cannot be a Nation State

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expansionism is dumb

empires tend to fall under their own weight

keep it in eu4 please

just look at the mongols

genghis died and bam it fractures in several different hordes