Message from @PunishedMuskovy

Discord ID: 521494974903353354


2018-12-10 01:09:17 UTC  

basically the same thing

2018-12-10 01:09:19 UTC  

now, social democrats *used* to be leftists

2018-12-10 01:09:21 UTC  

but they aren't anymore

2018-12-10 01:09:25 UTC  

haven't been for half a century

2018-12-10 01:09:46 UTC  

they used to want social ownership of means of production

2018-12-10 01:09:50 UTC  

but that was since then dropped

2018-12-10 01:10:07 UTC  

what people tend to call socialist countries are normally social democratic

2018-12-10 01:10:26 UTC  

for example, I'd consider the Strasserists to be absolutely leftists, despite being national socialists, and this is due to the economic views of Otto Strasser

2018-12-10 01:10:54 UTC  

Hitlerists on the other hand were not leftists, but rightists, and this is due to the economic views of Hitler

2018-12-10 01:11:05 UTC  

it all comes down to the productive relations - is the basis of property social, or private?

2018-12-10 01:11:33 UTC  

i don't like being forced to share what i've worked for

2018-12-10 01:11:56 UTC  

if people need, and i care

2018-12-10 01:11:58 UTC  

i'll give

2018-12-10 01:12:07 UTC  

but i'm not giving to people i don't care nor want to give to

2018-12-10 01:12:39 UTC  

that's not it actually

2018-12-10 01:12:45 UTC  

Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state. This is how property ought to be.

2018-12-10 01:12:53 UTC  

the idea is that people *produce* things jointly, and share in the jointly created prosperity

2018-12-10 01:13:01 UTC  

its not that we take from you what you've done for yourself

2018-12-10 01:13:08 UTC  

that's not the purpose of socialism at all

2018-12-10 01:14:46 UTC  

socialism is when gooberment hurt wallet

2018-12-10 01:14:50 UTC  

<:boomer:521456245505523712>

2018-12-10 01:15:42 UTC  

lmao

2018-12-10 01:16:02 UTC  

we do have a boomer ancap mod here

2018-12-10 01:16:07 UTC  

but he seems to be offline

2018-12-10 01:16:18 UTC  

> boomer ancap

oh god its like the worst of all worlds

2018-12-10 01:16:18 UTC  

He's not ancap

2018-12-10 01:16:25 UTC  

FDR was a tool of the bankers

2018-12-10 01:16:32 UTC  

FDR was fake and gay

2018-12-10 01:16:39 UTC  

Socialism is Bernie Sanders and Jesus

2018-12-10 01:16:44 UTC  

AnCap is funny.

2018-12-10 01:16:50 UTC  

or at least that's what Neil DeGrasse Tyson told me

2018-12-10 01:16:56 UTC  

Jesus had some pretty socialisty takes, although it would be wrong to attribute to him a future system

2018-12-10 01:16:58 UTC  

Jesus wasn't a socialist

2018-12-10 01:17:06 UTC  

I was making fun of something he said

2018-12-10 01:17:07 UTC  

i was almost an ancap

2018-12-10 01:17:11 UTC  

"Dude treat people nice and be humble"

2018-12-10 01:17:13 UTC  

then i realized anarchy cannot work

2018-12-10 01:17:42 UTC  

I don't get it, is there any socialism that doesn't think that people produce things jointly and with that serve the bigger goal?

2018-12-10 01:17:52 UTC  

Jesus is a Monarchist

2018-12-10 01:18:11 UTC  

Jesus is nazbol

2018-12-10 01:18:11 UTC  

looks pretty Marxian to me 😄

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/507035890640486411/521495817559867412/christbol.png