Message from @The Real Head Honcho

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2018-12-16 05:37:22 UTC  

@Deleted User it's effectively anti collectivism

2018-12-16 05:38:16 UTC  

Imagine not being a collectivist

2018-12-16 05:38:28 UTC  

Imagine actually being a fucking (((kulak)))

2018-12-16 05:39:00 UTC  

@The Real Head Honcho imagine thinking the kulaks were the bad guys

2018-12-16 05:39:26 UTC  

>thinking otherwise

2018-12-16 05:39:28 UTC  

Oh dear.

2018-12-16 05:39:28 UTC  

They were mostly Ukrainians.

2018-12-16 05:40:02 UTC  

Kulaks were just greedy Ukrainian peasants who had for the first time been given a lot and let their families and friends die off so they could hoard an extra sack

2018-12-16 05:40:08 UTC  

They are the definition of social parasites

2018-12-16 05:40:22 UTC  

Yes mostly Ukrainian successful farmers

2018-12-16 05:40:27 UTC  

No

2018-12-16 05:40:27 UTC  

If they weren't Ukrainians I would care.

2018-12-16 05:40:31 UTC  

They replaced the Russian nobility

2018-12-16 05:40:38 UTC  

They weren't "successful" farmers

2018-12-16 05:40:55 UTC  

They replaced the nobility as small scale land barons, using other peasants as effectively slave labourers

2018-12-16 05:41:05 UTC  

Like the nobles had before the serfs were emancipated in 1861

2018-12-16 05:41:40 UTC  

The Kulaks did very little actual work themselves and just took the form of rich peasants that got rich via the expense of other peasants

2018-12-16 05:41:47 UTC  

Which led the country to multiple famines

2018-12-16 05:41:51 UTC  

First off I've seen no evidence of this, second that does not give these people the right to kill them

2018-12-16 05:41:52 UTC  

Including the holodomor

2018-12-16 05:42:05 UTC  

the kulaks are literally one of the main causers of the Holodomor

2018-12-16 05:42:42 UTC  

Sure, the state could've alleviated it to a degree, but they'd been teetering on the brink of starvation since lenin's implementation of War communism in 1918 and the New Economic Policy in 1921

2018-12-16 05:42:55 UTC  

They had very little grain in reserves to stop the famine

2018-12-16 05:43:04 UTC  

The Kulaks, on the other hand, consumed or burned or killed their stocks

2018-12-16 05:43:21 UTC  

I believe the estimate is 27 million livestock slaughtered rather than be given to the collective farm program

2018-12-16 05:43:31 UTC  

And an untold amount of grain hoarded, consumed and burned

2018-12-16 05:43:36 UTC  

Rather than be given away

2018-12-16 05:43:47 UTC  

What are Ukrainians?

2018-12-16 05:43:51 UTC  

And as for "evidence", literally just look at Russian farming methods after 1861

2018-12-16 05:43:58 UTC  

You mean stolen?

2018-12-16 05:44:00 UTC  

@εïз irma εïз what do you mean what are Ukrainians

2018-12-16 05:44:02 UTC  

Russians spelled with different letters

2018-12-16 05:44:07 UTC  

I mean what are they?

2018-12-16 05:44:11 UTC  

@Scipio Americanus stolen by who?

2018-12-16 05:44:22 UTC  

I have Googled this s*** many a time, I've seen no evidence of this still

2018-12-16 05:44:36 UTC  

The state

2018-12-16 05:44:40 UTC  

Stolypin's attempted land reforms were literally designed to combat the problem of a Kulak agriculture

2018-12-16 05:44:53 UTC  

And as for the state "stealing" the agriculture and livestock

2018-12-16 05:45:03 UTC  

Still no answer. What are Ukrainians? <:lol:521377935672737792>

2018-12-16 05:45:26 UTC  

The land was owned by the state, the state was either at war or suffering from horrendous post-war shortage, and the machines and tools used to harvest and cultivate the agricultural produce was provided by the state

2018-12-16 05:45:36 UTC  

The Kulak populations were exploitative and greedy, nothing more