Message from @The Real Head Honcho

Discord ID: 523738030570209300


2018-12-16 05:44:53 UTC  

And as for the state "stealing" the agriculture and livestock

2018-12-16 05:45:03 UTC  

Still no answer. What are Ukrainians? <:lol:521377935672737792>

2018-12-16 05:45:26 UTC  

The land was owned by the state, the state was either at war or suffering from horrendous post-war shortage, and the machines and tools used to harvest and cultivate the agricultural produce was provided by the state

2018-12-16 05:45:36 UTC  

The Kulak populations were exploitative and greedy, nothing more

2018-12-16 05:45:42 UTC  

They were a problem recognised as early as the 1880s

2018-12-16 05:45:42 UTC  

@εïз irma εïз people who aren't Russians

2018-12-16 05:46:06 UTC  

Vyshnegradsky tried to combat it unsuccessfully which led to the 1892 famine

2018-12-16 05:46:11 UTC  

Romanians and Ukrainians should all be deported to Pacific islands.

2018-12-16 05:46:15 UTC  

He was replaced by Witte who also tried, but to little success

2018-12-16 05:46:34 UTC  

Then Stolypin tried land reform which would've worked better, and was similar to the idea of the Kolkhoz, but he was killed in 1911

2018-12-16 05:46:39 UTC  

The Kulak problem was not a soviet problem

2018-12-16 05:46:51 UTC  

It had been present for a good 50 years by the time Collectivism was implemented in 1929

2018-12-16 05:47:06 UTC  

@The Real Head Honcho sure buddy, keep on thinking that, but I can tell you I won't be killing any my livestock for greedy reasons

2018-12-16 05:47:18 UTC  

I like your username but your profile picture is deeply unsettling.

2018-12-16 05:47:29 UTC  

And even after collectivization and the liquidation of the kulaks, there was huge agricultural issue all the way until the dissolution of the USSR

2018-12-16 05:47:35 UTC  

stalin did the best work for the agriculture

2018-12-16 05:47:41 UTC  

Nah

2018-12-16 05:47:45 UTC  

Khrushchev didn't do much with new ideas but expanded on what was there

2018-12-16 05:47:53 UTC  

And Brezhnev pissed it away like everything else

2018-12-16 05:47:54 UTC  

Gorbachev did the best

2018-12-16 05:47:57 UTC  

But the problem was never solved

2018-12-16 05:48:08 UTC  

@Mairon this tbh bring back gorbachev and let him break apart the world

2018-12-16 05:48:17 UTC  

Yes

2018-12-16 05:48:46 UTC  

@Mairon I actually really agree with that

2018-12-16 05:48:50 UTC  

Gorbachev was the best premier as he realised Communism doesn't work and exploded the union

2018-12-16 05:49:13 UTC  

No Stalin was the best because he killed the most communists.

2018-12-16 05:49:22 UTC  

I think he's a shithead if we're going with actual opinions

2018-12-16 05:49:33 UTC  

@εïз irma εïз f****** hot take

2018-12-16 05:49:40 UTC  

And yeah tbh Stalin killed more commies than hitler

2018-12-16 05:50:12 UTC  

Stalin was literally the best leader the Russians had in a *long* time

2018-12-16 05:50:14 UTC  

Unironically

2018-12-16 05:50:20 UTC  

Did wonders for the nation

2018-12-16 05:50:39 UTC  

Sure you can say "m-muh death toll!" But at the end of the day, people are a resource.

2018-12-16 05:50:52 UTC  

At the end of the day its subjective

2018-12-16 05:51:08 UTC  

If you value people or nation more

2018-12-16 05:51:22 UTC  

Personally I don't care about either

2018-12-16 05:51:30 UTC  

The needs and status of the nation surpass that of the individual in any sense

2018-12-16 05:52:37 UTC  

If you think it does, I could say the opposite, it wouldn't be any more true, states are projections of great men and ideas people think of

2018-12-16 05:53:18 UTC  

Yeah at the end of the day the entire concept is born from social stigma and a unity against a common enemy or drive for a goal

2018-12-16 05:53:35 UTC  

But that's philosophy bullshit and it is *not* what i want to discuss at 6am

2018-12-16 05:53:52 UTC  

Or the desire for power of an individual, the best reason obvs