Personally I don't care about either

The needs and status of the nation surpass that of the individual in any sense

If you think it does, I could say the opposite, it wouldn't be any more true, states are projections of great men and ideas people think of

Yeah at the end of the day the entire concept is born from social stigma and a unity against a common enemy or drive for a goal

But that's philosophy bullshit and it is *not* what i want to discuss at 6am

Or the desire for power of an individual, the best reason obvs

Why is this tankie way more based than all of the rightoids here

Step up your game NEETs

Oof tankie

Who is the tankie

Me?

I have to assume you are because you're defending Stalin and shitposting against kulaks

Oh you think im commie lmao

No no

Dont get me wrong

Nazbol?

That's fine too

I sure would love to live in a country filled with mass starvation, political purges, concentration camps, and forced collectivism

The system itself is fucking horrendous

Yeah it'd be pretty cool

And the USSR was a mess at any level

HOWEVER

I have studied Stalin and the USSR a hell of a lot

So i find it hard not to appreciate the success they had

Which people immediately jump to me being a slavshit

I mean Stalin started with an agrarian shithole and left it a great power with nukes

Exactly

You can't deny success there

@The Real Head Honcho
Read Stalin The Enduring Legacy by Kerry Bolton?

Stalin and Hitler > Churchill and FDR change my mind

Especially when you look at how absolutely FUCKED lenin left it

@CrowGoCaw Roosevelt was a kike warmonger and churchill was his puppet dancer

That's the top and bottom of it

Churchill and FDR are enemies of humanity change my mind

@The Real Head Honcho right on the nail friend

Roosevelt was on the warpath by 1938

There's a reason he got really fucking chummy with Chamberlain after the Munich Conference when the two despised each other beforehand

Patton was right tbh the US was fighting the wrong enemy

Lots of historians

In books i read on this kind of stuff

A common thing i see is something along the lines of the following